Hear Him Heal You
This podcast is for those who are looking to experience the Savior more in their lives because of the peace and healing that only He can offer through revelation. Come unto Christ to get out of the mental mire, find meaning in emotion, leave bad behind, and finally, be whole. This is where we hear Him to be healed.
Hear Him Heal You
Let Jesus Cook: How Grace and Covenants Work Together
Ever been caught in the crossfire between faith and works? That tension between grace-centered salvation and the call to live a covenant life? Morgan and Joel dive deep into this theological puzzle that's confused Christians for centuries—particularly how Latter-day Saints view this relationship.
Starting with a bold claim that just one sin is enough to separate us from God, the hosts unpack how justice differs fundamentally from mercy. "Justice doesn't allow for apologizing or repentance. That's not even an option in the law of justice," Joel explains, highlighting our complete dependence on Christ's grace. Yet this grace-centered view doesn't diminish the importance of covenant-making.
Through a compelling analogy comparing spiritual progression to deepening human relationships, the episode illuminates how baptism, temple ordinances, and other covenants represent increasing levels of connection with the Savior—not checkboxes on a salvation to-do list. "It's not a transactional process," Joel clarifies. "I'm building my relationship with God so strong, I'm trying to bind myself and invest myself so much into Him that I can't leave, and He can't leave me."
Perhaps most powerfully, the hosts address the spiritual identity crisis many face: Do I matter to God? Do I have worth? For those struggling with these questions, Morgan offers this reassurance: "If you're a baptized member, endowed member, sealed member, Christ has cleared the table next to Him, set up that chair, set you a place to sit next to Him, going forward for all eternity." Our covenants provide tangible evidence of our relationship with Him—even when our spiritual feelings fluctuate.
Whether you're wrestling with your own worthiness, questioning the role of ordinances, or seeking to understand how grace operates in your daily life, this episode provides refreshing clarity on living a covenant-centered life empowered by grace.
Welcome to Hear Him. Heal you with Morgan and Joel. This podcast is for those that are imperfect, rough around the edges, but are still wanting to come unto Christ. Join us to get out of the mental mire, find meaning in emotion and leave bad behind. This is where we hear Him to be healed.
Speaker 2:What's happening, Morgan? How are you doing on this fine Sabbath day?
Speaker 1:You know, dude, I love me a good Sabbath day, a good nap, good food. You know, can't complain.
Speaker 2:Anyways, dude. So one thing I love doing on the Sabbath maybe I shouldn't do this as often, but I love going on Twitter and going on my Instagram reels and looking at all my feed with all the Christian and Mormon content in there and something I've been noticing a lot and that people bring up pretty often is the fact that they claim that we don't really believe in grace and that we're trying to replace grace with our own works.
Speaker 1:And I was trying to rectify this. We believe in Christ either.
Speaker 2:That's true. They say we worship a different Jesus. And I mean, after looking into it, it is true we do worship a different Jesus, a better Jesus. We do worship the historical one. No, I'm just kidding, but anyways and I want to say excuse me for my voice, I've had a cold, but what I was kind of getting at is I had to rectify this question.
Speaker 2:Okay, we do accept grace right and we do accept that Christ is the ultimate way to the Father and the only way. But we also believe that we do have to be baptized. We believe that we have to have faith, repentance, we need to receive the Holy Ghost, we need to go to the temple to reach exaltation and reach these things. I mean, we can't say that some people, I've noticed, are trying to defend it and say, oh, we don't need those things. Well, you do, you do so. It are trying to defend it and say, oh, we don't need those things. Well, you do, you do so. It's trying to answer that question. How do we believe that we are fully saved by grace but that we still need to live covenants and need to participate in ordinances?
Speaker 1:So I don't know. I think that's a. It's not like a complex issue. It has a lot of different meanings, I think, for the varying person right. Different meanings, I think, for the varying person right, because I do feel like there's an overarching culture sometimes where it's like we find our worth or our faith in how obedient we are, how closely do we live the commandments. So I think it's like there is a sense of like we save ourselves. Unfortunately, yeah, no there is.
Speaker 2:I definitely think that's something that I've noticed Growing up. That's something that's I've noticed. Like growing up that's kind of how I viewed it like, oh, I need to do this so I can make it to be back with my heavenly father. I went on the mission and also, growing up in north carolina, you come across a lot of evangelicals and protestants who bring up this fact that you know. There's a couple verses that talk about the need for faith alone right to be saved by grace, and that we are saved by grace 100%. But there's also you could bash back and forth there's verses that say, you know, faith without works is dead and if you don't have works, then what good is your faith? And you can argue and discuss that all day or you can try to find a solution where both are true. And that's what inspired me to share this and this verse that came to my mind, that's what inspired me to share this and this verse that came to my mind that kind of influenced this whole discussion we're going to have today, and it's in the Book of Mormon.
Speaker 2:It's 2 Nephi 2, verse 8. And this is Lehi speaking to his sons before he passes away and he says Okay. So how does that answer the question? How does that answer the question of am I saved by grace alone or do I need to perform certain works? I prefer to say ordinances right and keep covenants to reach the presence of God. And what I realize this verse is saying is, if we attach ourselves to Christ, we are not judged by our merits, we're not judged by our mercy or grace, we're judged by His. And so, as we kind of discuss further, we're going to talk about that like how covenants and ordinances bind us to Christ, they make us His and we're going to be judged off of His mercy, grace, merits.
Speaker 1:Well, I might add a little bit, and maybe I think this is a different take on this, because we can either be judged by Christ's merits or we can be judged on our own. It depends on if we choose to live christ or not. Right, that's a very good point, because, and if we're just on our own, that means we rejected christ, right, and then we're. We have the whole judgment of god upon us, rather than straight christian kingdom. Exactly so it it's like. Who would I rather be in marriage today? Would I rather be judged on Christ or mine? Knowing myself, I would way rather be judged on Christ, because I definitely probably have made too many mistakes and I'll probably continue to make too many mistakes to ever be worthy of a celestial life.
Speaker 2:How many mistakes is too many? One One?
Speaker 1:That's it.
Speaker 2:That's what's crazy One mistake and it's too many. And that's what kind of where you start to realize how much grace does save us right, that it doesn't matter. Just one sin is enough for us to be unable to enter into the presence of God. That's it. That's all it takes.
Speaker 1:See, I had this realization because on my mission, so when I was on my mission, we were challenged to read a few different chapters before like a zone conference, right, and I was reading this one and I was like, and the question really was between mercy and justice? Right, and I was like, and it didn't click for me because the whole time I was like, well, if I repent and sorry, then I am justified by justice. But what I didn't realize at that time, when I was 18 years old, was when I repent, I'm not subjecting myself to the law of justice, I'm subjecting myself to the law of mercy. Justice doesn't allow for any apologizing or repentance. That's not even an option in the law of justice.
Speaker 1:The law of justice says you make a mistake, you're punished, that's it. There's no making up for that mistake option in the law of justice. The law of justice says you make a mistake, you're punished, that's it. There's no making up for that mistake ever in the law of justice. And, um, I guess, if we're going to attribute the attributes of justice and mercy to who heavenly father has to uphold the law of justice while christ can uphold the law of mercy? So I was just like something that I had to realize when I was younger that justice doesn't justify us in any way when we repent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had this realization too, because there was a time where I did not want to repent. Right, I didn't want to. I just wanted to say like I know it's bad, but I'm. It's really not that big of a deal, if you look at. I was trying to justify myself, right? And and there's a little, the spirit kind of slapped me in the face and was like no, you cannot justify yourself. Only christ can do that.
Speaker 2:And so it's like and if you want him to do that, then you have to follow the pattern which he has laid out for you. You have to go through repentance. You have to actually take a step towards him. You can't claim I mean, think about it like this mor Morgan, I can tell you I'm coming over to your house right now, but if I don't show up, I'm not there. You know, it's like that's how I feel. When people are like all you need to do is say that you're with Christ and you're good, say you know, come into my heart and I accept you as my Lord and savior. Okay, that's great, but did you actually do it? Your words don't mean much unless there's nothing to back it up, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's the theme of the restoration, right, like those are. The part of what happened during the first vision was Heavenly Father, and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith, and he's like these peoples, like they draw close unto me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, and I think we're still battling that right. Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I think that's just part of dealing with the natural man. Is we're going to battle that temptation to want to save ourselves, to want to claim that we're good and that I don't need any help? I already accepted Jesus, I'm good, I can go on my way, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, I guess another question too is like you brought up this idea of I can say I'm coming to your house but if I don't show up I didn't follow through.
Speaker 2:I guess what does that truly look like in living the gospel? Yeah, so what I kind of imagine is there's often there's been times in my own life where, you know, after being baptized and after, you know, being a member of the church since you know I was born into the covenant, but anyways, what I'm trying to get at is, allegedly I should have, I should pretty much have always been living the gospel right, and when I take the sacrament each week, that should have mean that I was in a state of grace, it should have mean that I was accepting the atonement in my life and using it. But there was times when I wasn't right, there's times where I was living in sin, I wasn't repentant, I wasn't trying to get help, and so my words said yes, I'm taking the sacrament, and my actions even said I'm taking the sacrament, but my heart was denying the blessings because I was not truly repentant.
Speaker 1:I think we've all. Maybe it's just like maybe I shouldn't say everyone, but I think we, majority of us, have experienced that living in sin phase, right, where for one reason or another, we have withdrawn ourselves from God, Like and I like to think about it like this, like that sense of saying I'm coming over, right, joel, I'm coming over to your house, or I'm telling Christ like, hey, I'm going to come be with you, but then I just don't feel like my prayers matter, I don't feel like my scripture study matters, right, like I'm saying I believe in Christ but I don't acknowledge him in any way or shape or form. Right, I give up on my calling or I'm more lax in attending my church meetings, right. And I think, really, what it comes down to are we acknowledging Christ in everything we do, and like that's hard sometimes, like we're all trying to get to that point, but there's definitely times where I forget to acknowledge Christ and what I'm doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and what's cool is if you study how the Hebrew philosophers would think and what their philosophy revolved around, they believe that a person was defined by their actions, right, and so it wasn't about. It was about, like a person, say, someone died, right, they didn't view that body as that person because that body didn't act, it didn't do the things that it did before, right, the person was the living being who acted and did stuff. And so when we get the Gospels, it's coming from a Hebrew people and the Christian Gospel starts to spread everywhere, right, and it goes into all these Hellenized places where there's a lot of Greek philosophy and Greek thinking mixing into the beliefs of these apocalyptic Jews who followed Christ. And so you see this clash of their different philosophies one that says you're defined by what you do and another one that says you are defined by what you think. To think is to be aware and to be alive. So you see these clashing theologies or philosophies, and you can see how it's shaped the modern day Christian theology to where it's a very vocalized religion, right, whereas the Hebrews had a very action-based religion.
Speaker 2:If you believe something, you did it. That's what he meant when faith without works is dead. I mean, there's no substance to it. Like what do you know? I want to say, as Jordan Peterson talked about, like what do you know about what you believe? He's like you can tell what someone believes by how they act. If someone believes there's a God that's coming back and that he redeemed their souls from hell, that person is truly going to act as if he's preparing for the return of his Savior. That person is going to act as someone who is trying to hasten the work and spread the message, and so you can see, obviously, versus someone who just says, oh yes, I believe. Yet they sit at home all day twiddling their thumbs, you know, just waiting. They don't really believe. A belief is something that turns into a conviction to do. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, what's funny is, I think as human beings, we want to be doers, right. I don't think any of us feel good when we're just anything right, and that's why I do think like it's. We see all these people who are gurus or influencers about. This is what I do in my day-to-day life and this is what brings me fulfillment and joy. And I think there's a this big aspect that we all want to be that type of person. We want to be doers, we want to be successful and we want to be judged by what we have done.
Speaker 1:I know I find a lot of value in that. I take a lot of pride in my own accomplishments, you could say, and I think we do need to let that work in us. But I think there is a difference between like. I think there's a difference of doing actions to come unto Christ rather than doing actions because Christ has already come unto us. And what I mean by that is like, how often have you like served because you're like, because it makes you look like a good person, or versus times where you've served because not because you care if it makes you look good or not, but because you know that person needs help and you want to be there for them. I think that's the difference between like people who are trying to earn their salvation are those that are doing things to look good, while people who are living salvation are the ones that have let Christ work on them and they know they need to go serve, not because it brings them anything, but because those people need help.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Christ addressed this when he talked about I believe he was talking about the Pharisees and Sadducees and how they do their works before men to be honored by men, right, whereas he said there's those who do it in secret to be honored by God. And so I want to try to connect this whole discussion we've had so far. So how does this look in Latter-day Saint perspective? How do we see this in our day-to-day through our covenants? And so my answer to anyone who asks do we believe in a works-based religion or a faith-based? And I'm going to say it's both. And I want to start by talking about baptism, baptism. I will say this Sometimes we're like baptism is just the fruit of accepting Christ. I have never understood that.
Speaker 2:I don't think anyone who heard the message of Jesus Christ back in the day, early Christianity, was like oh my gosh, I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to dunk myself in water and take his name upon me. What Like? That doesn't make sense. That's not a man-made work. That just came to you. Someone just came up with this idea. That's ridiculous. That sounds ridiculous, right, and so what it is is these are covenants. That's how you can tell it's divine, this principle and this ordinance. It comes from God. He he's asking us. This is not a fruit, baptism is not a fruit of the Spirit coming to you and now you're like, I want to get baptized. You wouldn't even know what baptism is right. It's something revealed to you, or has been revealed to man, as a covenant relationship that God wants us to enter into.
Speaker 2:When we accept the Savior, we have faith and we repent, it naturally leads us to want to make a stronger commitment to him and to bind ourselves to him. And so when we do that, king Benjamin actually teaches us in Messiah 5, when we make that covenant of baptism, he says you shall be called the children of Christ, and there is no other name given whereby salvation cometh. Whosoever doeth this shall be found at the right hand of God. So we make covenants to bind ourselves to Christ so that we are known by his name. And what do we know about those who are called by the name of Christ In the last days? They shall be found at the right hand of God. So grace is here, right, here's grace that connects us to God. Right, christ fills that entire gap. But we're standing here behind Christ. He's going to walk that path for us. We need to bind ourselves to him while he walks that path.
Speaker 1:Yeah to walk that path for us. We need to bind ourselves to him while he walks that path. Yeah, I also want to add that not only is it to bind us to Christ when we take upon these ordinances, like baptism, like the sacrament, like temple covenants and ordinances right. Not only is it that which is an important part of the covenant, but it also gives us greater access to that grace.
Speaker 1:I do think there's been specific times in my life that, because I have chosen to live the commandments, I've been chosen to take these covenants seriously, that I haven't just completely abandoned those promises right. That I have been afforded more forgiveness, more strength in times of trial and temptation, more resilience when I have made mistakes, and I just always think about that because I don't know about you, joel, but there's been times where I've been at a very low point in my life and for some reason, there comes a time where I'm like I'm ready to pick myself back up, I want to try again, and I don't think that comes from the natural man. I don't think, when we feel those bursts of motivation or determination, that they're just, that lives within us. I think those are God-given moments of where, like, christ is entering our lives being like no, you can try again. I'm going to do this with you. I'm going to lift you up and this is how I'm going to do it right.
Speaker 2:God has made a covenant that he would redeem his people right, and we entered into that covenant. And the greatest thing is is, even when we're struggling to keep it, god, he's perfect in keeping his covenants. So he's going to call us out of the darkness, he's going to call us out of sin. He's going to call us to a new way of life. And so, even though it's like sometimes, I think I really do believe, because of the righteousness and the covenant keeping of my parents and of my grandparents and even my great grandparents, I truly believe it is because of their relationship with the Savior and the promises he made to them that I have been lifted up and pulled out of dark places, because he promised that not only would they have salvation and not only would they have eternal life, but their posterity as well, and that's something that's really cool, and we see that throughout the Old Testament. I testify that it's real and true today.
Speaker 1:I love this topic because I think it's so easy With everything we're told to do in the gospel or at church. We're told to hold a calling, we're told to do our ministering assignment, we're told to read our scriptures daily and pray daily. We're told to do all these things that our list of spiritual chores can sometimes just push Christ out of the picture. I think, like when we approach the gospel, more of Christ is the picture. Then we do want to do all those things more. We do want to read our scriptures and pray to him. We do want to seek that relationship. And the more we seek that relationship, the more I don't want to say deserving of grace, but the more grace, the more I think it allows greater access to Christ. Yeah, greater access to grace. There we go, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because grace is always there. It's if we want to invite Christ into our life, right, go to the temple and to be and have an initiatory, and to be endowed and to have a ceiling, and it's all about having a greater increase of relationship, and so not all relationships are created equal. Morgan, you and I are really really good friends, right I would say so, I would say so right I mean I come over to your house.
Speaker 2:I come to your house all the time I nap on your couch you know you're not even home and I'm just chilling at your crib. Right, I'd say we're pretty decent friends, right, we have a strong relationship, right? Yeah, it's not a relationship like marriage, it's just not right. And someday it's a strong relationship. I don't want us to have a marriage Me, neither, right, I'm not saying I want one with you either, but not saying saying that you're not glad we got out of the way yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyways, the point of where I'm going with this is that there are different levels to a relationship there's we'll go to a more relatable for everyone. Say, you're a man, young man, dating a young woman or vice versa, right, you start out in kind of that talking stage or that courtship. You go out, you start to grow closer and then at some point you go out on enough dates that you feel the need to put a label on what you guys are. And that's where we have boyfriend and girlfriend come in right, and that's a higher label, that's a higher relationship. Right, now you're no longer just two friends who like to hang out and go on dates together. Now you're a couple, right, and so you could just say that's kind of like you're entering into the gate, right, that's kind of like your baptism, right. And it's like you could say Entering into the gate, right, that's kind of like your baptism, right.
Speaker 2:And it's like you could say someone could say well, why stop there? Right? That's what I say to someone else. Why do we even move forward If we only need to make one kind of commitment? Why make a higher commitment, right? Everyone naturally knows that there's a difference between a boyfriend and girlfriend and a husband and a wife. Right, everyone knows that. No one questions that. That's different. Right, there's a much stronger bind or a much stronger bond, sorry, between a husband and wife than there is a boyfriend and a girlfriend.
Speaker 1:I also want to make this parallel too. So with every level of those relationships there's certain, you could say, privileges, right, or benefits that come with every level. Like when you're just dating or in the courting stage and you're not like official, you're not going to do like a act or do things that a boyfriend and girlfriend would do, like hold hands in public, all those things Right, and you're not going to have exclusivity attached to that Right You're, you are risking having that person go see other people too. When you're in that talking stage, then you kind of become more exclusive, right, and and you guys start to a lot more time together when your boyfriend and girlfriend, all these, all these things right. And then when you get married, then you can layer on having like sex and kids and buying the house together and money. And so I love what you're saying, that as we continue to progress our relationship with Christ, there's more and more things that come with those levels of relationship with Christ.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there's also more at stake, right? Someone who has been through the temple and received their endowment from God has risked a lot more leaving the church than someone who maybe just got baptized last week. Right, there's something you're more invested in that and God is more invested into you. It's not that God cares more, it's that you've simply progressed in that relationship with him higher than someone else has yet. Right, we all have the same potential. I just wanted to clarify that. But anyways, what I'm getting at is you have more that you risk losing and you have. That's why I've never seen this as a problem or an issue of why we have multiple covenants. It's about having a stronger relationship. It's not about a transactional process, right? Sometimes we've been accused of like, oh, you're just doing a checklist to earn your salvation. No, I'm building my relationship to God so strong, I'm trying to bind myself and invest myself so much into him that I can't leave and he can't leave you Exactly.
Speaker 1:I think I want to say that because I think there's. I think Satan really tries to attack our identity and our diet identity that we are Christ a lot, because I think there's always that question do I actually matter? And when we are constantly asking ourselves, am I, do I have infinite worth, do I matter to people around me, I think we're actually questioning like, do I matter to God, do I matter to Christ? And I just want to say now that if you're a baptized member, endowed member, sealed member, christ has cleared the table next to him, set up that chair, set you a place to sit next to him, going forward for all eternity. You have a forever place with Christ because you've done those things and you have the right to call upon that and acknowledge that.
Speaker 1:And I think, like, when you do feel like you've been abandoned or anything, just know that Christ is giving you physical, material evidence through the form of ordinances that you are his. Don't forget that. Like, sometimes we are always, constantly wanting this reassurance, a spiritual aha, that God loves us and that he acknowledges. But why would he need to always be giving you that when he's giving you these ordinances that you know have happened that you know you have partaken of. The evidence is there, you don't have to keep looking for it.
Speaker 2:And I want to say this is why it's important that when God gives us a symbol or gives us a responsibility, that we take that seriously. There's a reason that I wear my garments every day, right, I don't care if they are hot or uncomfortable some days. At the end of the day, that doesn't matter in the eternities, and I'd rather have a reminder, a constant symbol and reminder that I am covered by the atonement of Jesus Christ. Now there's something I want to kind of backtrack and go into.
Speaker 2:I talked about earlier about how we are blessed through the generations and how there's times where I've made covenants, I've broken my covenants and then yet I still feel God and Christ, the Father and the Son, reach out to me through the Spirit right and reach and pull me out of the void right. That's grace. If that isn't grace, I don't know what it is the fact that we don't live up to our side of the covenant yet God chooses to time and time again, infinitely. He will do everything in His power to bring us back to Him. God wants nothing more than to bring us back into His presence and to help us to reach that eternal life and immortality in which he participates in. This is how we glorify God is seeking to become like him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, have you ever? I've met plenty of people who feel this way and maybe you can add some light for other people that feel this way as well. I think people, when they start, when they've lived a certain way of life meaning not a covenant life, not a one following the commandments, they and then they try to change their life to live in accordance with covenants and ordinances they feel like it's really hard, or they feel like life gets significantly harder. What would, what would you say to that person? Cause they're like well, if I thought life was supposed to be better, I thought I was supposed to be blessed, I thought I was supposed to have an added measure of strength, you know.
Speaker 2:That's a really good question, and I was actually just thinking about that. That's where I think we really have to understand how much grace is involved in our lives, how much forgiveness and mercy there is, and when people I mean I struggle every day. You know, like why am I saying people Me? Look at me, dude, I struggle every freaking day and like every week I go back to church and I'm like am?
Speaker 1:I really am I worthy to take the?
Speaker 2:sacrament. Am I worthy? I get called? Hey, am I worthy to give a blessing? I really have struggled this week, but I also remember that I put an effort to say my prayers, I put an effort to read my scriptures, to give service and you know, I've sought to be open and honest with those around me. And so when I look at that perspective, I know that God fills in the rest right, and that, even though, yeah, I am, I still struggle with tons of sins and weaknesses. Right, but because I put forth an effort, God allows grace into my life. Right, and he allows me to feel that. And I think the real issue is not. I feel like the real issue is they don't understand what that looks like. We paint it as sometimes this prosperity gospel everything's going to get better. I don't think it does, but I think we can, like we talked about last week, we can find that peace that comes through these covenants.
Speaker 1:I also think God defines happiness and prosperity differently. The world says that following God would mean that our life gets easy. It's never going to be hard.
Speaker 2:There's not going to be anything required of us. Yeah, the world says it's here right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but God is saying no, I'm actually giving you responsibility so you can grow into a person that can withstand the hardships. You can grow in knowledge not knowledge to just to overcome, like, hardships and temptations, but so you can experience and grow in your ability to help others who struggle with those same things. And so if you ever ask yourself, like, why do I struggle with this? Why is this always a problem, it's probably because, like, it's kind of with this. Why is this always a problem? It's probably because it's kind of like the wounded healer the way we are hurt is how we're going to help others too, and we all have to experience different types of pains and struggles to be able to collectively find salvation together.
Speaker 1:I think that's the power of congregations and showing up to churches, because you're the only person at that moment with that knowledge and that ability to help someone else who's going through that same thing. And not everyone can be there to help others. All Like, one person who has all the knowledge can't help everyone all at once either, and so I think that's why we have to come under Christ. That's why we, when we enter the gospel and we're trying to live a gospel-centered life, it feels hard because God is requiring more of us and he's expecting us to learn and grow in our ability and growth never easy, never comfortable. But through that growth we form connections with those around us so we can collectively uplift one another. And that all happens because of Christ, that all happens because of grace, it all happens because we're trying to engage in a relationship with him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to use a Gen Z term here and say God's going to let you cook, and sometimes that food's going to come out nasty, right? Not every recipe works at first, right, but as we practice and continue to cook, right, like we're going to figure it out, and someday we're going to take a bite of that delicious food that we made and it's going to taste good, right, it's going to be good stuff, and you know he's he's, so he's going to let you cook. Sometimes it's not good when it starts out, but you'll get there, so just have some patience with yourself.
Speaker 1:That reminds me of like the Bills running back James Cook, they're always holding up signs. They're like let James Cook.
Speaker 2:So it's just like let Jesus Cook, let Morgan Cook, let Joel Cook. God says let's let all of them cook. That's why he gave us agency, so that we could cook.
Speaker 1:My favorite part of this episode by far. Anyways, remember Little Flock. Despair not build upon the rock, do good and always hear him and cook.
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