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When Religious Lines Blur: Maintaining Unique Latter-day Saint Identity
Have you ever found yourself blurring the lines between your Latter-day Saint beliefs and those of other Christian faiths? You're not alone. In this thought-provoking episode, Joel shares his recent experience attending a Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall and meeting one-on-one with a member—another Joel!—to better understand their theology firsthand.
This exploration reveals a crucial truth: when we try to minimize our theological differences to fit in with mainstream Christianity, we risk diluting what makes the restored gospel unique and powerful. Joel and Morgan examine how ancient Israelites faced the same temptation, worshipping Yahweh while "covering their bases" by incorporating neighboring deities into their practice. Today, we might unconsciously adopt Protestant concepts like creation from nothing (creatio ex nihilo) or scriptural inerrancy (sola scriptura) that directly contradict our own theology.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn as they connect these doctrinal distinctions to lived experience. Morgan reflects on how embracing the uniqueness of Latter-day Saint doctrine—despite feeling "weird" sometimes—brings remarkable blessings that wouldn't come through compromise. "I wouldn't be the person I am, have the things I have, or know myself the way I do had I not embraced this gospel," he shares.
You'll gain clarity on why maintaining theological boundaries doesn't mean isolating from other faiths. Rather, it allows for more authentic interfaith relationships built on mutual respect and clear understanding. The hosts emphasize that we can unite with others on shared moral causes while still honoring what makes our faith distinct.
Whether you've struggled with feeling "too different" or have wondered about the theological lines between Latter-day Saint beliefs and other Christian denominations, this episode provides compassionate yet clarifying insights to help you embrace the fullness of the restored gospel. Listen now and discover why what makes your faith unique might be exactly what makes it true.
Welcome to Hear Him. Heal you with Morgan and Joel. This podcast is for those that are imperfect, rough around the edges, but are still wanting to come unto Christ. Join us to get out of the mental mire, find meaning in emotion and leave bad behind. This is where we hear Him to be healed.
Speaker 2:All right Morgan.
Speaker 1:We are back.
Speaker 2:We are back, dude, and I had a little experience the past couple of weeks I kind of told you about, and I'm going to tell everyone else about it too, here.
Speaker 1:I'm just disappointed. I wasn't there for it, you know.
Speaker 2:It was fun. It was a fun experience. So last week, two Saturdays ago, I went to the Kingdom Hall of the Jehovah's Witness, and then this past Friday, I met with one of their members.
Speaker 1:He went to church. He went to the Jehovah's Witness church.
Speaker 2:Yes, if you don't know what Kingdom Hall is, yes, that's what their churches are called the Kingdom Hall of the Jehovah's Witness. Anyways, some of you might be wondering why, like? Why did I go?
Speaker 1:to the Jehovah's Witness Church. I still don't get what you meant.
Speaker 2:Okay, here is why Recently, something that's been on my mind as we've kind of gotten into this media space of religious content, is I've noticed there is a lot of overlap between beliefs, belief systems, right, but I've also noticed there's a lot of differences. But I've noticed those lines have a lot of differences, but I've noticed those lines have started to get blurred more and more, and so I've kind of set out to do this on my own time, but to just go to different churches to better understand their beliefs as they describe them, and so that I can better define what I believe and what's different, so I can set a safe boundary, so we don't have an unhealthy overlap of beliefs.
Speaker 1:And we started spousing other beliefs that aren't really ours.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Anyways, it was a really great experience. They were really welcoming, very kindhearted people. They had a very devout feel to them, right. When you were in the service they had a talk similar to the way we do and then after the talk they had an open study like Bible study. It's very similar to how we do. Come Follow Me. They do that worldwide, just like us. So those are some similarities, right. But in my meeting one-on-one with the in particular, one of my friends I met there. His name is Joel. Also, kind of cool, joel particular one of my friends I met there.
Speaker 2:His name is Joel also Kind of cool Joel and Joel, right. So me and Joel got together over FaceTime just to talk a little more about their beliefs and he was great. He was really good about kind of just going into like the nature of God and his relationship with us and it was really fascinating. I got to understand why they believe the things they do and I have a lot of respect for them. But going back to the reason why I wanted to talk about this and get to know about these other churches is because I've noticed a lot of times people start to adopt the views or the positions of other churches within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and I've noticed just a couple problems that have come because of that.
Speaker 1:Well, one thing too, I've also noticed when I think there's this natural desire or want to feel like you're on the same page when you are around other people, and I think, like sometimes being a member of the church, when I've met other people of other faith and they start to question my beliefs and they're like are you really Christian?
Speaker 1:I'm like yeah, yeah, I'm Christian, I'm just like you guys and like it's, it comes from a place of like I want to fit in and I don't want to be perceived as weird sometimes, and I think that's where, like sometimes, we can try to find.
Speaker 1:I think it's good that we try to try to find common ground, but we also have to understand that our religion is very distinct and it has a wholeness, or a fullness of the truth, not just parts of the truth, because every church has elements of truth. But it's kind of like this is kind of where, like when you read about the Adam and Eve story, where it's like there's like there's scripture mingled with the teachings of men, right, and I think, as we and you're going to bring up a lot of these, as we start to see some of these beliefs, we'll see like, yeah, we believe similarly, but not exactly and because they're not right in line with what we believe actually will create. It'll create, I guess, perceptions, or it will change slightly how we perceive God or how we perceive scripture, and we have to be careful of those things and really make sure we have a solid foundation, like you're talking about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so something that was interesting is I came across this study it was a Pew Research Center study right from 2007. So almost 20 years ago now right from 2007, so almost 20 years ago now and it was a religious landscape survey which found a striking non-dogmatic trend across all major religious groups in America, including Catholics, protestants, muslims and the religiously unaffiliated. Over two-thirds of the individuals in each group agreed that there was more than one true way to interpret the teachings of their faith. And then the other side of this was that many Catholics and Muslims reported beliefs traditionally associated with Protestant theology. So the reason why that was so shocking to me was when there's flexibility within faith, it kind of waters down your conviction, right.
Speaker 2:When you get to this kind of like hey, man, you live and let live, you do you and I'll do me, and I don't know, maybe we'll kind of cross paths a little bit, right, this kind of hippie love, you know, as I say it starts to, it's like OK, where's the substance? What really makes you a Catholic versus a Protestant? You know what really makes you different? And do you believe? Why are you even in that church if you don't believe that it's 100% true? Right, so it allows for you to kind of have a soft exit without even realizing it. And so I wanted, especially now and today, like you said, going back to like we really want to fit in, dude, we don't want to stick out like a sore thumb, we don't want to be weird, and all the time I constantly see this on X and Instagram and anywhere that I'm on social media, right. Every time there's a Latter-day Saint posting something, they're like something's yada, yada, yada Christian. I don't even know how to start, but they'll basically do some kind of content talking about how they're a Christian.
Speaker 2:And then I just open up the comments and it's just Protestants and Evangelicals and Orthodox bros and the Catholic bros and they are just ripping to shreds Everyone in the company. They're just attacking each other. It's just, it's terrible. Like Mormons aren't Christian, you guys believe in a different God, you guys. It's just, it is hilarious, right. And then I see all these Latter-day Saints trying to defend their faith but at the same time, like want to fit in and like, oh no, we actually kind of do believe that it's such. It's actually kind of the same. Like no, it's not. And then it's just funny. There's a lot of contention, but at the same time a lot of people trying to fit in.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's just really it's very funny to me, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think it's really easy when we feel like we're all the same, for nothing to matter too. So it's like if you're constantly feeling like, hey, like my beliefs match up with like a catholic's beliefs or or or a protestant's belief, because we believe in christ, we believe that christ saved us, he died for our sins, like I would say that like there's the general common vein of common ground, right, and it ends there, because then you have to ask well, who's christ, who is Heavenly Father?
Speaker 2:You know, it's just funny.
Speaker 1:And then you see these people and they're not living the same standards that members of the church live, like most other religions, don't pay a tithing, most of them don't have a word of wisdom, or like a very solid law of chastity, like all these standards that we have to hold in order to partake of, like great blessings and covenants in the temple, right? And so it's like when you're seeing, like, but they carry the same beliefs, why do these commandments matter? And that's where, like you, that's where, like that soft accent, like you're saying, like you're saying, flings wide open, you know, and it's like, okay, I can do those things, it's not bad because those people believe the same thing. And you might not consciously think it, but the feeling, those are kind of the feelings that lead you down that path, right, exactly.
Speaker 2:So now I want us to take a like some steps back. Okay, we're talking in modern terms. Right now, let's go back, I don't know a little over 2,500 years ago. Right, maybe even a little further. We're going back.
Speaker 1:This is where Joel's put on his scholarly cap, right here.
Speaker 2:I'm not a scholar, but I have read books written by scholars.
Speaker 1:Joel's going to drop some big words everyone.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm not going to drop big words, they're rather small but you just may not have heard them before. So, going back to ancient Israel, I've read. So I just held up this book right, called who Wrote the Bible by Richard Elliott Friedman. He is a scholar and a professor at the University of Georgia I think he's a emeritus now so he's not actively is about the early Israelites and the world in which the Bible, the Old Testament in particular, was formed. And a lot of the common things he talks about is how did these wandering tribes of Israel become this unified kingdom, who were monotheistic when they started, as kind of these wandering, semi-nomadic peoples who had a pantheon of gods more of a henotheistic view? Henotheism is the belief of many gods but the worship of one or just a few, and so he kind of walks through their development and how the scriptures are kind of written to solidify their worship and their beliefs and their practices and anyway. So one of the big things was they were worshipers of Yahweh. Yahweh is the Hebrew name for God, that is the divine name and anyway. So they would have these temples and these high places, these altars and places of sacrifice that were for Yahweh, but they were living in a land that was not only inhabited by them. Sometimes we view them living in Israel and in Canaan, right, and it's just them by themselves, but it's not. They're surrounded by these other countries and they have other peoples who lived there before, who have other beliefs and other gods. And so what we constantly see throughout the Old Testament is the children of Israel would keep the worship of Yahweh for the most part, but they would start bringing in these other gods of their neighbors, whether that was an Asherah, which is just, I believe, the Kenyanite word for goddess, and then the Baal, which is a word for God, right, and sometimes we think that's their names, but those are actually just titles, anyway. So maybe here's a scenario You're an Israelite man living in the middle of the city of Tish and I don't even know where that is, I just remember Elijah was a Tishbite but say, you're living in Tish, right, and your wife is pregnant and things have been rough, right, so you go and you go to the temple or the local kind of high place where you offer sacrifice, and you offer a sacrifice to Yahweh, and then after that you're still kind of nervous.
Speaker 2:So you're like I'm just going to cover my bases. I offered a sacrifice to Yahweh, but I'm going to go to this Asherah of fertility and offer a sacrifice to her as well. And you start adding in on top of right and you kind of put those commandments you had earlier of no other gods before me right and you start bringing other things like well, no, I'm still having you first, yahweh, like I'm still coming to you first. I'm just going to make sure all my bases are covered and bring in this Asherah idol into my house too. And so now, looking at it from that old perspective, I will. Obviously that's wrong. But then you fast forward back to the modern era and we're doing that today. We're doing that today and I have a few examples. But, morgan, did you have anything to add? Before I get into those?
Speaker 1:Well, no, I think it's once again. You have to think about the tribes of Israel when they're entering into the land of Canaan, right? And they're this new people? Obviously right, and I think they probably experienced a lot of the things that we experience as members. Our beliefs are weird or different. They want to fit in, like they've been a wandering people, and how often do we feel like we're wandering socially too, and and so?
Speaker 2:you try it for us? Yeah, we're.
Speaker 1:We were driven out multiple times and so I just I just think like it's so common, like and to really want to fit in, and I think, because god is something that's so close to our hearts and makes us feel so good, like we want to share that, we want to be a part of where people worship God, and I will never dissuade someone from worshiping Heavenly Father how they want to, right.
Speaker 1:But I also really feel like we also need to encourage members to really embrace the uniqueness of our gospel, and I think the uniqueness of our gospel is really what makes it so special and makes our relationships with Christ so special.
Speaker 1:Because, once again, I can't get away from this idea that we have a fullness. There's so many aspects of the gospel that have really influenced my life, like I think about how I grew up and my parents take great care of us and I feel like family life is more consistent within our religion than some other religions, right? Or like the desire to gain the education, like members of the church are very well educated, and what I'm trying to say is like because we believe in the fullness and you can even say extra commandments there comes all these added blessings, even if keeping some of those commandments makes us weird or seem weird to other people, right, and so I guess, as we continue down this it's like is the cost of viewing my own religion through other people, outsider's eyes, worth losing those blessings? Right, because the temptation of feeling weird or like these things are stupid or not necessary or antiquated is the trade-off worth not having those lessons.
Speaker 1:Just look at your own life, look how you grew up, look at how well off you've been because of how you were raised.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that. That really brings it into like our modern perspective. Now there's one other thing I wanted to kind of throw in there. Some of you might wonder like, okay, how could these Israelites be so duped so easily to just believing they could bring in another God? From my understanding I could be wrong here, but from my understanding there was some overlap in the religions right on both sides, and so the people of Canaan, I believe, also worshipped. They worshipped El, who was like the high god of their pantheon. El it comes from the Greek or not Greek, sorry the Hebrew word for just God right, elohim, right, that's just the general word for like God or gods, and so they have this worship of El, or El Shaddai, el Elyon, and he has a consort as well, and so in the Canaanite religion so like, oh well, they're still worshiping God. But we didn't know, maybe God does have a consort, even though we haven't been instructed that. Maybe it does so fast forward now.
Speaker 1:When you say consort, what do you mean?
Speaker 2:A consort is just like someone who's with you, paired with. We'll just say he's paired with. Keep it simple, right? Anyways, where I'm going with this is now we come here and we're in 2025 and like, well, they worship Jesus Christ and they worship Heavenly Father and the Holy Ghost. So I don't know, maybe they're just like us, but their whole view is completely different. They believe in a triune God, so they believe in a three in one. We believe in three individual, three separate beings unified in purpose. These are completely different things. They look similar on the surface, but they're completely different.
Speaker 1:Most members of the church know the difference between these three or these two beliefs, like a Trinity versus a Godhead. Essentially, how do you like, I guess, how have you noticed that? Change our?
Speaker 2:relationship to God compared to someone that holds a belief of a Trinity. So it goes into more than just that. So, like I said earlier, there's a few examples I had specifically of Protestant or Catholic beliefs that we have adopted, that we sometimes adopt subconsciously, and I want to just list those off so that what I'm about to say next will make sense. So one would be creatio ex nihilo. That means creation from nothing. We don't believe that. As Latter-day Saints, that is not part of our doctrine. We believe in the eternality of everything, that everything has existed always. It simply has changed forms and has been formed into different things, I guess. To put it simple, so we were once intelligences. We were then formed into spirits. Then we were once intelligences, we were then formed into spirits, then we were given bodies and then someday we're going to have perfect unity between our spirits and bodies and we'll be resurrected and glorified beings. So that's our theology.
Speaker 2:Theirs is completely different. They believe that there was nothing and God, only just God existing in nothing, and then he created everything boom out of nothing, like the Big Bang. And what's interesting about that is then you have to have this belief that God created everything from nothing. So that means God created good and evil. We don't believe that. We don't have to deal with that because God didn't create everything from nothing. He organized from the eternities.
Speaker 2:So the next belief that I believe we see a lot of times is sola fide and sola scriptura. Sola fide is faith alone and then sola scriptura is scripture alone. Now these doctrines kind of make it where the way I see them infiltrating our beliefs is. One was with sola scriptura. Sometimes we hold this standard that the Book of Mormon is the perfect word of God because it was directly revealed to the prophet Joseph Smith. But we don't believe that it's inerrant. They believe in the inerrancy of Scripture, that Scripture is without flaw. We don't have that belief. We allow for there to be flaws and that's why we rely on modern revelation to receive truth and instruction.
Speaker 1:Wait, I'm going to pause there for a second before you go on to other examples. One thing I do want to say about this like Sola Scriptura, if we do believe that the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, I guess our canon of Scripture is the only source of truth. I think it leads to a certain thing that we do see pretty common these days inside the church is people.
Speaker 1:Not all church policy is found in the scriptures, and I would say church policy is really governed by revelation, and that's why it is so important for us to believe that the words of the prophet are just as valid, or, I would argue, more valid than just reading scripture.
Speaker 1:Right, because he will give us instruction directly for our time, while a lot of scriptures were written for pastime. Right, and we're learning. It's an access for us to receive direct revelation for ourselves and our own lives, but we're not taking the policies from the Book of Mormon or even from the early church and saying this is the only way a church can be ran, and I guess what I'm trying to say here is I see a lot of people who really believe in the church, but the second part is, when policy comes out like that they don't like or they feel is like not in line with with how they see the church, then they become disingenuine or disenfranchised members of the church. And we have to be careful because if we don't hold a strong belief in prophets and apostles, then one day there could come a policy come out that could really take us out of there, like rock our faith a little bit right. And so that's why, like only holding a belief of sola scriptura is dangerous.
Speaker 2:For that reason, yeah, and I think there's even a distinct difference between church policy and revelation from the prophets and apostles, right? So even within that there's nuance. So that's the big thing we have to understand. There is nuance and that we don't believe that there is. Like, our faith is very dynamic, it's not static, it's still alive, it's living, it's growing, it's developing.
Speaker 1:You know, we have to if you ever feel like, if you ever feel like you have to stop asking if the church is true, then I would that right there is like a good indication that, like no, you have to always be constantly asking if the church is true, if what the prophets teaches is true, and find those confirmations from the spirit.
Speaker 2:Exactly the way I've always understood it as well is that there's a difference between policy or not policy and principle, but there's a difference between changing like a commandment and changing a principle. Principles aren't going to change, right, but the commandment and the way we obtain those principles. May right of wisdom came out, it still allowed for things like you know, basically light beers and like wine and stuff like that, right. But today we don't. We don't participate in any of that. But at the same time, you can argue that you know that it didn't say that the word of wisdom in the Doctrine and Covenants doesn't say we can't take heroin and do cocaine, right. But we know instinctively that now we've received more revelation ongoing that that is included in that health code, and so what's interesting about that is that we've received new revelation for the times.
Speaker 2:And so, yeah, do those words match the current policy and the current description of the word of wisdom on the church website? No, they're not the exact same, right, that's because, as it changes, we live in a higher, holier law, but the principle is the same. It is to take care of our bodies, it is to take care of our spirits and to leave us in a state where we can be receptive to the Holy Ghost, and so that principle has not changed, but the way that we go about it has. It's evolved and it may evolve again. And so if it does, what are you going to do then? Are you going to be like, oh, I can't do this, I can't believe that this has changed once again? No, obviously I don't think you would. I think you'd realize we're living a principle here, and the commandment is just a way that we can live it better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, I think there's a lot of yeah. It makes me realize like I should also, even now, be striving for more guidance and revelation on how to better live certain commandments as well, because I think we can always deepen our understanding and how we live commandments. It's always easy to check a box right Like I paid 10% or I fasted this month or you know, and I think like there's always more devotion and dedication we can have in our daily worship, and I think this is just a great indication that, like sometimes, if we're espousing other beliefs, it's because we just haven't really done the work to understand it completely and start living it fully. And that's not bad. I think we all, over time, repent and get closer to God. It's just. This is something nice to know and look for in our daily lives.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So now kind of go back to the beginning of that question you asked of how these different beliefs affect, because it started out with the Trinity and then we went into a couple other things. So the way that I think it affects us directly today and in our relationships with those other faiths is when we try to reach understanding with their precedent right or their presumptions of what we believe. It's going to get muddled, it's going to be confusing. You're going to feel confused, they're going to be confused because you haven't clearly defined what is different. If you want to bash someone over the Bible, over interpretations of the Bible all day, that's not going to do anything. It's not going to help at all. You're still going to be, you're going to be just as convinced of your way. They're going to be just convinced of theirs. And so you have to go back to the fundamental thing. Why are you arguing over the Bible when they believe that it's perfect and errant word of God? We don't right. So we're arguing from a different standard and that's why we don't have this strong resolution of like, or we end up caving in our beliefs right and adopting theirs.
Speaker 2:So, when it comes to these interfaith, I think it's good to have dialogue and discussion where you say, hey, this is what's different, I don't espouse that belief, I don't hold to that belief, this is what I believe and hold to. And then when you start a discussion from there, rather than those blurred lines of similarities right, we both hold the Scriptures as as the Bible, as Scripture, right, but what is Scripture? It's completely different If you ask a member of the church right versus someone of an evangelical, protestant faith, completely different answers. And so if we want to stay strong in our faith and we want to be able to have good discussions about our faith with others who are not of our church, we need to let them know this is what we believe and we need to hold firm on that. And when they push back on it, say, look, that's what you believe, that's not what I believe, and then you can have that discussion, then you can have these friendships start to form.
Speaker 2:And so, even though I don't believe, going back to my friend Joel, we have very different beliefs on who God is and who Jesus Christ is and who the Holy Spirit is, but we just kind of talked and said this is what I believe, this is what I believe. Okay, cool, let's go a little more into that theology Now. Dude, I didn't take any of those beliefs that we talked about. There's not a single thing that I felt when I was talking with them that I had to compromise on, or that I was trying to because we started from a place of understanding.
Speaker 1:A few years ago anyways, there was a guy in our ward and maybe I dropped the ball on this. Maybe I could have been better and done more and maybe I'll have to pay the price for this one day. But when I was elders quorum president a few years ago, there was a guy in our ward and that was before you were there, joel, I think, and I just remember he was very inactive for a long time. He grew up a member and I just saw the effect this had because he probably had made some mistakes, felt embarrassed and then left the church shortly after leaving home or after graduation. A few years went by and then he started kind of coming back.
Speaker 1:But while he was coming back he was also attending a non-denominational church and just based off this conversation, I look back at how, because of his experiences, he felt like more accepted in the non-denominational church and I don't think he's come back to church with us right, and I think like that could easily be us one day. But it's making me realize now that maybe I could have talked with him more and really helped elucidate some of these more unique principles of our gospel and why they're important, because I do think, like Heavenly Father, the God we believe in, does require a lot of us, but it's for a good reason. I think we need to do a better job as members of our own church, helping each other to really embrace the uniqueness of our gospel. And I kind of like I haven't thought about this kid in years, dude. Like not until now did he just come to mind and I'm like dang, I really dropped the ball on that and I don't know, I'm just realizing this that like we need to help each other as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so some thoughts I had after all that some of you guys might be listening like okay, like what was the point of all this right, this semi-interesting information, maybe?
Speaker 2:But, it's like what do I do with this? What does this look like in my day-to-day life? And so, going into the purpose, today we live in a world where we are called to share the gospel, we are called to be devout members of our faith, to be examples, but we also live in communities. We live in, we're all across the world, right as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and we're told to build Zion everywhere that we live. And I think, in a way, that Zion includes those who are not even of our faith, right in our communities. Right, if we're to build Zion, there's going to be those who aren't, and that's how it was in the Book of Mormon times. You know, just because the city was majority, ran by followers of Christ, doesn't mean that everyone was. In fact, we see that was actually a common thing in the Nephite kingdoms is that there was those who were followers and those who were not, but those who were followers still sought to strive to build Zion. Excuse me, bro, no, but they sought to right.
Speaker 2:They tried to build Zion and still, even though they were all unified and everyone had the same thoughts and beliefs. So go out and make friendships right, become friends with these people. There are good causes we can join together in right. We need the help of our evangelical and our Protestant and our Catholic and Muslim brothers and sisters who are seeking to do good things and to serve others, to feed the homeless and clothe them, to bring charity and relief to those in stress and to serve those who are struggling within our communities. Right.
Speaker 2:To support good policies that encourage the building of families and the protection of children in our communities right. And so we need to have good relationships with those with different beliefs. We need to realize what we do agree upon and what we do both hold sacred, and we need to unite in those ways, but we need to make sure it doesn't cross into our faith and our practices of how we worship our God, and so I think it's good to go out there and to be friends with people of different faiths right, and to have people in your lives who have different perspectives, as long as it is towards a good cause right, one that aligns with your beliefs, and I hope that, listening to this, you kind of understand how you can now protect your belief system, protect your faith, and still contribute and participate in a society that doesn't always reflect exactly what you believe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I would say this is a, I think. I think my takeaway and I guess to echo is like embrace what has been given you, like it's it's be unique. Find out what's makes being a member special. Because, like for me, I would not be the person I am, I wouldn't have the things I would have, I wouldn't know myself the way I would had I not embraced this gospel as well, and I think we all need to either do that better or find a whole new level of that right. And it's just like.
Speaker 1:It just goes to show that we always need to be searching for truth, we always need to be asking for confirmations of truth and deepening our testimonies each and every day, because it doesn't even have to be other religious beliefs that we espouse. It could be political beliefs that start to warp our beliefs, it can be laziness, it can be all of these other things that can make us feel less devoted to the covenants we've made. And so I think it's always a good reminder to recommit yourself to following Christ and, I guess, dedicating a little bit more time to learning about him and deepening your relationship and then just tuning in a little bit more to his voice and his promptings through the spirit right.
Speaker 2:I got a little teaser for y'all. This conversation is not over completely. Soon, very soon we're going to be having a guest on and we are going to be talking I wouldn't say a debate, but it's going to be a discussion of do we share more beliefs with Catholics or with Protestants? I'm looking forward to this discussion. It's more of a fun kind of a banter and discussion rather than a full blown debate, but I just wanted to tease that.
Speaker 1:I love it, perfect. Well, with that said, little Flock, remember despair, not build upon the rock, do good and always hear him. We'll see you.
Speaker 2:Hey Little Flock. If you found this episode beneficial to your testimony, remember to leave a review, share with others and follow for more.