Hear Him Heal You
This podcast is for those who are looking to experience the Savior more in their lives because of the peace and healing that only He can offer through revelation. Come unto Christ to get out of the mental mire, find meaning in emotion, leave bad behind, and finally, be whole. This is where we hear Him to be healed.
Hear Him Heal You
Where Did I Go Wrong? And Why That Question Changes Everything
Have you ever felt completely lost in life? That disorienting feeling when you're not sure where you belong or what you should be doing next? In this deeply resonant episode, Morgan and Joel reframe what it means to feel lost and reveal why these moments might actually be spiritual turning points rather than dead ends.
Drawing from personal experiences, scriptural insights, and the powerful parable of the prodigal son, they explore the different ways we experience being "lost"—whether through straying from our spiritual path, losing our sense of identity, or simply not having reached our destination yet. Rather than a sign of failure, feeling lost often signals we're finally paying attention to what isn't working in our lives.
The conversation tackles how simple changes in daily habits can provide clarity when we feel directionless, and how God views our moments of wandering not as disappointments but as opportunities for homecoming. Morgan shares how feeling lost has consistently preceded major positive changes in her life, while Joel reflects on how the sacrament reminds us that Christ's living water never runs out for those wandering in spiritual deserts.
Whether you're a young single adult trying to navigate major life decisions, someone who has drifted from spiritual practices, or anyone questioning your purpose, this episode offers a refreshing perspective on those uncomfortable moments of feeling adrift. You'll walk away understanding that with Christ, being lost is never the end of your story—it's often the beginning of something beautiful.
Ready to transform your perspective on feeling lost? Listen now to discover how these challenging times might be precisely what you need to find your way back to what matters most.
Welcome to Hear Him Heal you with Morgan and Joel. This podcast is for those that are imperfect, rough around the edges, but are still wanting to come unto Christ. Join us to get out of the mental mire, find meaning in emotion and leave bad behind. This is where we hear Him to be healed. All right, welcome to episode 25, little flock. I am really excited to talk about what we're going to be talking about today, which is feeling lost, because I honestly think we have either all felt lost at one point or another or we have heard a friend say those same exact words. I mean, I know, probably Joel has probably heard me tell him those as well, and I think I may have haven't even heard have heard those words from Joel.
Speaker 2:Once or twice, I think. I've shared a couple of stories before with you.
Speaker 1:Yep, and and really I think it's a very common thing, I we might be more, we might hear more from members than others because we're in YSA awards, and I think there's always this like attitude of like, if you're not married or you're in school trying to figure out your way, you're just lost. You're just lost in general because you're not, you haven't hit those milestones that we're supposed you're supposed to be hitting on an arbitrary timeline, right, you're supposed to be hitting on an arbitrary timeline, right. But I also feel like, because of some of the struggles that we go through I think I've heard friends talk about when they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing, they feel lost or they feel like they need to get back on track. I hear this all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's funny when people acknowledge they're like oh yeah, I'm not keeping my covenants, I'm not going to church on Sunday, I haven't prayed in forever, I'm not reading, I don't know why I'm so miserable. I think you do. You just kind of told me why. It's kind of funny. It's like how often are we lost? And like we explain our predicament and we're like oh, but I don't know why I'm in this predicament. It's like, well, I think you do. I think you just don't want to admit it yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was. Actually I was talking to a stake president one time and he actually talked about how this kid he was a YSA stake president this kid comes into him and he's like he's like, president, I just don't know what's going on with my life right now and he like, obviously, like he was the stake president, was listening through the spirit, and he's like well, tell me about your day to day. And this kid talks about how he was like heavily into gaming. He's like oh, yeah, I stay up until like two or three in the morning. I I'm not working out. And he's like and he's like what do you eat? Like, well, what kind of food are you eating? And he talks about how he's just eating straight junk food. Like no vegetables, no, no fruit. Like not hardly getting any sunlight either.
Speaker 1:And and it was just kind of funny and he's like well, there's your reason. That's why you feel lost. That's why you feel like you're not happy is because, like, you're literally living a life void of any meaning. And he's like okay, this is what I want you to do. He's like I want you this week to cut. Don't you don't have to stop playing video games completely, but cut back, go to bed at a normal time.
Speaker 1:He's like I want you to make breakfast in the morning eggs and some type of fruit or vegetable. And then he's like I want you to get outside and like, just go for a walk. Can you promise to do that for me for at least two weeks? And then we're going to meet again. And he's like, funny enough, the kid came back two weeks later. He's like man, I feel amazing, like life is great and it's just that for some reason, that story is stuck with me because I'm like, whenever I feel like I'm in like the depths of despair, I'm like, huh, maybe I should just like go touch some grass, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that reminds me of a conference talk. I'm trying to remember who it was. It feels like something Elder Holland would have spoke on, but I can't remember who it was. But talked about a young man coming to him and saying you know, I think I've lost my testimony. I don't know if the church is true or if the Book of Mormon is true. I'm not sure what I'm doing anymore and all these things I have, all these questions about the church. And he lays out all these questions he has about church history and different topics. And then he says to him he's like are you reading your scriptures and saying your prayers? It's like simple question, right. And he's like well, no, he's like well, do that? For, like I don't know a time period, a certain time period, do that? We're going to meet together again and I in the meantime will look for answers to your questions. And he says he meets up with this young man again. He comes in, he goes, I don't have any questions anymore. I know the church is true, I know my Heavenly Father lives and loves me and I, you know I don't even need those answers. And the funny part was he said no, you're going to get them because you made me work for him anyways, so he like answered all those questions anyways.
Speaker 2:But it's funny when you do the simple things. I think about Elder Lawrence C Corbridge and the speech he gave at BYU Stand Forever, right. He's like, if you just focus on those fundamental questions, those four things, right, those simple things that you need to know, everything else seems to fall in line. And I want to try to remember I think it was is there a God in heaven? Who is our Father? Did Jesus Christ come to earth, you know, and die for our sins?
Speaker 2:And then was Joseph Smith the prophet, and then I think the fourth one is just his church today, or something like that. Right, like, just focus on answering those four, or yeah, something like that. Like answering those four questions, those simple, simple things, and he's like, and the majority of your problems and all these other questions you have will seem to fizzle or seem insignificant compared. And that's so true. It doesn't mean I've avoided them, but it's these other questions and other thoughts that I have right, but I've never had something that's shaken me so bad, because I've always known the answer to those four basic questions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you mean you're saying like I don't have to know the name of the planet God lives on?
Speaker 2:Yeah, which is not Kolob?
Speaker 1:It's not vital to my testimony.
Speaker 2:I know it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:But one thing I want to throw in here too is I think there's a big temptation when you, like I do, want to change like the mindset around feeling lost. Yeah, because far too often when I hear people talk about feeling lost, they feel like it's like they've hit rock bottom and there's no changing, and I think that's a very easy trap to fall in. I think I've been there a time or two, but I was actually listening to another podcast because I listened to other podcasts. That's why we're doing this right, but it really opened up my eyes to understand this concept a little bit more, where the guy was talking about how feeling lost is actually one of the best places we can be in, because it means we're finally paying attention.
Speaker 1:We're finally, like, acknowledging like we have a problem in our life. Or we're finally acknowledging what we've been doing is no longer working life, or we're finally acknowledging what we've been doing is no longer working for us. Or we're recognizing that like hey, like I don't want to do this job anymore, I want something more than this, or I no longer want to be in this relationship. I no longer want to be friends with these type of people because they're dragging me down and when I, when he, when he said that, I like opened up my eyes, because every time I felt that I've been lost, it's always come right before I finally find something in my life that brings immense happiness or helps me become a better person, or something that has strengthened my time.
Speaker 1:It's always right before a huge blessing in my life, always right before a huge blessing in my life. And I think that is the we need to start shifting out of like hey, feeling lost, I've hit rock bottom, nothing's ever gonna change to oh, like I'm finally kind of tuning in to what God wants me to do and if I just lean into this feeling and really like pray about this, really ponder and really try to listen for the spirit God is going to just help me to make that change or to find that thing. Because prior to feeling lost, we were just oblivious to whatever God wanted us to do. We were ignoring him, we were rebelling, whatever, but finally we've come unto ourselves, as the scriptures like to say right, yeah, it's a really interesting thought.
Speaker 2:Finally we've come to, we've come unto ourselves, as the scriptures like to say right, yeah, it's a really interesting thought, like I guess I guess, like kind of, we keep saying lost and I just keep having this mental picture of like I'm on a hike right and I get off the trail. Have you ever wondered if, like sometimes, we think we're lost but really we just haven't got up, gone up the trail far enough yet we're like come on? Like I was told there's these beautiful falls up ahead and I've been hiking for a mile, two miles right, and I haven't seen anything. And you just haven't looked at the map yet you don't realize it's another mile ahead and so it's like you're not even lost. You just you're not. How do you even say that? It's? What am I trying to say?
Speaker 1:You just haven't arrived yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you just haven't arrived yet. You know it's okay. Was Israel lost while they wandered in the wilderness? I don't think they were wandering, because they couldn't find out how to go north a few kilometers right.
Speaker 1:They just hadn't learned what they needed to learn yet, right.
Speaker 2:Exactly and it's very symbolic of that 40-year wandering period. But it was that their hearts hadn't changed and recognized where they needed to be spiritually to enter the land physically.
Speaker 1:And so I think, sometimes it's like, like you said, it's like we just haven't arrived yet, because we're not maybe because we haven't taken the steps to prepare ourselves to and I do think you bring up a good point Like I think there's different types of lost. There's like we, there's a self-imposed lost, meaning we just we, we're just not there yet, right, we just haven't arrived. Then I think there's lost in the sense of we've gone astray or we've gone outside the boundaries or the commandments God has given us. And then I even think there's a lost feeling in the sense of we've forgotten who we are. Or there's a loss of identity, right, and I think there's multiple, but I think they all point to like we're finally paying attention.
Speaker 1:Like when you feel like you're lost in identity, you're like who am I? I really want to understand that, I really want to regain that sense of identity. Or like when you've gone astray and you're like, dude, I am way off track. Then it's finally like you're finally realizing you need to repent and move back towards God, right, or even the sense of I haven't arrived yet. It's kind of like being like what more do I need to do? Like what's going to get me there, right? So like, regardless of what is causing the lost feeling, it does show that we're finally tuning in. We're finally being self-aware enough to include God in what we need to do next.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I really like what you said there. It kind of reminded me you know the different stages of being lost. We see that with like the 10 tribes of Israel. We always call them the lost tribes. And what's funny is you know there were some that were carried away captive into Babylon. Right, there were some who there was rumors that went north.
Speaker 2:There's several in the Apocrypha, there's books that say they're on the other side of the Euphrates River, hidden from the world, until God decides to bring them back again. But then there's a theory that scholars have come up with. It's like what's the most natural thing to do if you are a nation that is very similar to another nation right next to you Judah and you share the same religion, you share the same history and all these things, and your nation gets destroyed. What are you most likely going to do? You're probably just going to go to that nation.
Speaker 2:And so he poses this theory that the lost tribes weren't physically lost or wandering out and going to different places really so much as they just lost their identity. They assimilated with the Judahites and adopted their ways and traditions fully. I mean, we kind of see this going into the New Testament times. People don't even really know their tribes anymore. They're just called the Jews. They're all just kind of one people now and it's very interesting. So it's like he poses, he's like I don't think that they were physically lost, because I think they just forgot who they were. They lost that identity of where they came from and who they really are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think when you also lose your identity. This is kind of like a chicken before the egg type of argument, but, like, I think when you lose your identity, you also lose you go astray spiritually too, in the sense of you no longer keep the commandments. And we see, we saw that with the, the tribes of Israel, all throughout the the old Testament, there was the pride cycle. They went through right, and so they either went astray and lost their identity, or they lost their identity and went astray and then basically they were lost unto God because they were no longer living a God-like life. Right. And so I think that, like, the tribes of Israel are a great example, and so I think that the tribes there are a great example, and what's even better is that's why the church was restored was to help remind all the descendants of Israel to return unto Christ right, to make those covenants like their ancestors of old and to remember their identity that they are the chosen people of God.
Speaker 2:right their identity that they are the chosen people of God, right? What's interesting is in the missionary discussions, in the very first discussion on the restoration, the first principle that we taught as missionaries, and that is still taught by the missionaries, is that God is our loving Heavenly Father. First and foremost, we in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints want everyone to know that they are children of a loving Father in Heaven. That is your identity, first and foremost. Above anything else, you are a child of God. From the time that we were in primary till even now in our sacraments, we still sing that hymn I am a child of God and I think it is crucial that we remember that.
Speaker 2:It's a crucial part of our identity. It's who we are and it also tells us. It's also a map of where we're supposed to go. It's who we are and it also tells us. It's also a map of where we're supposed to go. If we are children of God, we are meant to grow up to become like God, and it gives us a path to follow, and that's why I think it's so important that people understand that, above anything else, above whatever nation they're from, whatever their ethnicity is, whatever language they speak, we all are children of a loving Father in heaven who has a plan for us.
Speaker 1:I think a great parable for this whole concept of feeling lost, forgetting our identity and coming back and feeling lost being a catalyst for change, is actually the prodigal son. I'm not going to focus on the brother because I think that teaches a different story, but we all know about the prodigal son who, basically, he took his inheritance before the death of his father. Usually you don't get an inheritance until your father dies, right, and he decides to leave the country and he decides to waste it on riotous living essentially what it says and then finally, once he's spent all his inheritance and what's crazy to me is dude, you'd have to be on a huge binge to waste an inheritance in your lifetime right, you would have to be going buck wild in my opinion, but after he's spent all of that inheritance. It talks about how a famine hit After he spent all of that inheritance. It talks about how, like a famine hit and I really like to think of this famine not being like, being metaphorical to how, like, once you partake in, like right as living or straight outside the bounds God has set, a spiritual famine sets in Because we've been looking to be fulfilled. We're always looking for happiness and fulfillment, but the world's way of fulfillment and happiness doesn't last. There will become a time where it runs out and you feel empty inside.
Speaker 1:And so, from there, once this famine hit, he is forced to go be a servant. And it says like he bound himself to a citizen which he might have even been a slave to this citizen. And he's forced to feed pigs. And as, while in the course of feeding these pigs, he is starving and he's considering eating what the pigs are eating. And it's in that moment, and the scripture says, it says this. And when he came to himself, he said scripture says this. And when he came to himself, he said how many hired servants of my father's have bread enough to spare and I perish with hunger. I will arise and go to my father and I will say unto him father, I have sinned against heaven and before thee and I am no more worthy to be called thy son. Make me as one of thy hired servants.
Speaker 1:So I love this part because we can see that he is feeling lost.
Speaker 1:He is feeling empty, unfulfilled, unhappy, and it's in that moment he finally remembers all the blessings that his father had given him, that he had taken for granted, he had forgotten about, and he's like well, no, you know what?
Speaker 1:I'm going to go make my amends, I'm going to go repent, and even if he accepts me back as the lowest of his household, then that is good enough for me, and we know, through the course of this parable, that he returns. Not only does his father accept him back, but he celebrates his return, and I think this is what we all need to recognize when it comes to feeling lost is like if we choose to remember our identity, choose to repent and move back from having gone astray or whatever, it is celebrated Like a loss. Being lost and coming back is equated with some of the things that make God the happiest and the proudest of us, rather than we always look at these lost times being like the worst of us, like we're pathetic, we are of no use, we are the lowest of the low, you know. And so I just love that imagery from the prodigal son and how it teaches us that being lost just means it's time to get back, and God will celebrate that change.
Speaker 2:Yeah, something else I really like is that when this parable is given, the context of what's going on is this is in Luke and it's in Luke, chapter 15. And in the very beginning it says and he spake this parable unto them. And he goes into the lost sheep, right? So isn't that pretty funny that he talks about being lost, right? He immediately relates it to like, hey say, you have someone who is lost, would you not go after them? And that's what's really fun.
Speaker 2:If you look at every parable, there's always a little question or something that gives a little context to why Jesus is giving this. And he's specifically saying I am here to find those who are lost. And so when we feel that we're lost, we have to remember that Christ, one of the powers of the atonement is he has that identifying power, the power to tell us who we really are, to reclaim us and to bring us in as one of his own. And I think that's a really special thing that we kind of look over. We always think about the forgiveness of sins and about the you know, just that aspect of the atonement and being able to be made clean. What we also are able to receive is who we are and receive our identity through Christ, and he gives us a new identity in his own name. Right he said now you're more than just yourself. Now you're part of me, you're with me now in this. So that was just a little insight I had.
Speaker 1:No, I know I really agree, like I was, I was going through one of my favorite things when I like I love words and their meanings and like what other words are associated, associated with them, because I feel like it really really captures the breadth of a concept within the gospel by by kind of doing like aanalysis through, like the topical guide. So as I was like thinking about this idea of feeling lost, I was like what does the scriptures have to say about it? Right, and some of the words that were found in scripture that were similar to the word lost were like gone astray, forgotten their resting place, lost its savor, like they no longer have the it factor right, they've gained the whole world but have lost their soul. In need of saving, wandering, lost the confidence of or being just not trustworthy. And as I read through all these different words associated with the idea of feeling lost, none of it said like you're worthless, or you're a disappointment, or like you're not worth saving, or that you can't be changed, or that that state is permanent, or you're a lost cause. All of it kind of just show it's. They're all kind of like this idea of that that lost is is not like lost is a temporary thing to God. He's always banking on you becoming back to him and and and being with him Like and I'm like man. That is the most optimistic thing that we could catch hold of.
Speaker 1:When it comes to how does God feel about us being lost? He's like his cards are down. He's betting, he's all in on us coming back to him and I just, I love to think of that that he is just always wanting like there's even like imagery around this, like his hand is stretched out. Still, he wants to encircle you in his embrace, and I know that to be true in my own life. Like every time I feel like I've gone too far or I can't be changed, god proves me wrong. Every time he always reaches out in those moments of being like no, I love you, you can change. This isn't the end of the world. I know this is just a tough time for you and I believe you can get through it. And those are always the feelings I have received when it comes to me repenting or me trying to find my way back. It's always met with encouragement, love and a bolstering attitude. So true, love and like a bolstering attitude. So yeah, so true.
Speaker 2:Today, like I had an experience, as I was just in sacrament meeting and I was partaking of the sacrament, I was like man, it's been a hard week, it's just been a tough one.
Speaker 2:And as I sat there and partook of the emblems of my Savior, I just felt like the Spirit was just whispering like well, welcome back into my arms, you know, welcome back into my, into my presence. And it was just good to be there in church and sacrament today and I just I really needed that. I felt like this week was just one of those rough, dark weeks that are just like. It's just been a difficult one, Right, and I was really sick on Monday work, which is not fun, and all these things. I was just like I was just not feeling too hot and being there, you know, you know, just sitting there in the chapel, I just had that peace and I just had that reminder, as well as that confirmation, that I am having this shared meal with God right now. I'm in his good graces and he's got my back and he knows where I need to be and what I need to do. So that was just a little personal.
Speaker 1:I know I actually had a really cool experience during our sacrament meeting today as well, because I actually went to one of my mission buddies' baby blessings and it's just so happened that this baby blessing also fell on a missionary farewell. And I show up to this meeting and it's like state conference like they had, like the chapel was full, the overflow was full and then the cultural hole was full full of just like friends and family for for both the both events. And it turns out that they didn't have enough water for the sacrament, so they thought they had enough. They did the sacrament passed. So they thought they had enough. They did the sacrament, passed it out, and then it turns out they ran out, so they had to fill a couple more trays and re-bless it.
Speaker 1:And at the end of the sacrament meeting the bishop stands up and he's like you know that was a. It's always nice to have like a sacrament that doesn't go according to plan and I was like wait what? And he just talked about how he's like. He's like sometimes we feel like we've ran out of water. However, christ's atonement never runs out and he's like and he's like I just want to stand up here one more time. Did everyone get the water today. And at that point, because he had asked it two or three times through the course of the sacrament, making sure everyone got the water. And he's like I just want everyone to know that, like, there's always enough water.
Speaker 1:If you didn't, if you haven't received your metaphorical water yet, it's on its way and we, as members of the church, need to be on the lookout for those that are in need of water. And I think this just goes really hand in hand with what we're talking about. Like we may feel like we're lost in the desert, wandering and we've been forgotten, but water is on its way. That mirage out there, it's not just mirage, it's actually real. There's an oasis on the horizon when it comes to coming back to Christ. Like, you will find a resting place with him. He will give you more than you need. He'll bless you 10 times than what you ask. So go in search of your water. So, with that said, little flock, despair not build upon the rock. Do good and always hear him. Peace. Hey, little flock, if you felt this episode was helpful for your testimony, please like, leave a review and share with a friend, and follow for more.