Hear Him Heal You
This podcast is for those who are looking to experience the Savior more in their lives because of the peace and healing that only He can offer through revelation. Come unto Christ to get out of the mental mire, find meaning in emotion, leave bad behind, and finally, be whole. This is where we hear Him to be healed.
Hear Him Heal You
The Lost Art of Pondering
When was the last time you sat in complete silence? No podcasts, no music, no YouTube videos playing in the background?
In this thought-provoking conversation, Morgan and Joel tackle our society's growing inability to engage in meaningful pondering. They candidly share their personal struggles with constant stimulation – from falling asleep to audiobooks to needing entertainment during every meal – and how this habit creates a spiritual barrier between us and God.
The hosts explore what it truly means to ponder, diving into Hebrew and Greek roots that reveal pondering as an intentional, focused practice rather than idle daydreaming. They suggest that to hear God's "still, small voice," we must first make ourselves "still and small" through humility and presence.
Both confess that consistency in spiritual practices is their greatest challenge, admitting they often operate in bursts of spiritual enthusiasm followed by periods of coasting. They discuss how prayer and scripture study can become mere checkboxes rather than meaningful communion with God when we fail to approach them with fresh intention.
What emerges is a powerful call to reclaim the sacred practice of pondering in a distraction-filled world. By creating space for quiet contemplation, we open ourselves to revelation, deeper understanding, and the peace that comes from true spiritual connection.
Ready to disconnect from the noise and reconnect with what matters most? Listen now, then take a moment of silence to let these insights sink in. Your spiritual life might depend on it.
Welcome to Hear Him Heal you. With Morgan and Joel, this podcast is for those who are imperfect and rough around the edges but are still wanting to come unto Christ. Essentially, it's for everyone. So join us to get yourself out of the mental mire, find meaning in emotion and leave bad behind. This is where we hear him to be healed. All right, lil Flack. So we got a really good topic of conversation for you today. This is something I've been wanting to talk about a lot, especially with you, joel, because I think you'd have some good takes on this.
Speaker 2:But to preface this, I have no idea why.
Speaker 1:I mean, once everyone hears what the topic is, I think they're going to laugh as well, it's probably because you have adhd, so maybe it's because we really need to get better at this. Maybe it's because I need to hear this topic. Yeah, well, it's about pondering, and the reason why this is becoming like such a emphasis in my life is because I am terrible at being present. I'm either engaged in work, hyper fixated on that, and everything is drowned out when I'm when I'm like on a demo or or making calls or whatever, or I'm off work and I'm just trying to distract myself from any of my worries, whether those are personal, work related or social related, and so I've realized that I have very little quiet time in my life. So I don't know if you feel the same way.
Speaker 2:Dude? No, I definitely struggle with that. I have such a bad habit of constantly needing something going in my ear, something to entertain me, something to inform me. I'm always like I'm either learning about something, or I'm at school, I'm at work. If I'm not there, then I'm like, okay'm, you know? You know, if I'm not there, then I'm like okay, I got to catch up on all the news in college football. Or, you know, I want to learn something new about a new topic, even if it's a church topic, right, and I'm listening to talks, you know, I'm still. I always have something going on in my ears or I'm watching something, and I've actually had this realization myself. I'm like I rarely take time to just sit back and commune with God, right, or ponder and think and just take quiet times, quiet moments to let the spirit come in and teach. And so I mean I can definitely relate to what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like dude. I'm either like going on a walk with biscuits, shoving headphones in my ears to listen to a book or something Right, or I'm sitting on my couch flipping on the TV, or if I'm eating, I'm flipping on the TV, can't eat without YouTube? Yeah, gotta have it. It's like the whole other side of the food pyramid is like YouTube TV, you know.
Speaker 2:I know I just feel like I'm wasting that time. I'm like man. I could really be like, you know, getting some good information here on Josh Pate's college football show. You know why waste this 15 minute meal. And so I'm like constantly. You know, like I said, it's not just some people think I'm being like, exaggerating Right or being hyperbolic, no, like I constantly have. So I fall asleep listening to this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:Yep, same. I always turn on a book at night and what I'm what I'm starting to realize is I am probably missing like revelation after revelation, after revelation on how to better my life, because I'm like, look at all of these distractions. They're nice and shiny. You know what I mean Squirrel, squirrel, squirrel here, squirrel there. I'm like biscuit with a ball. Squirrel, squirrel here, squirrel there. I'm like biscuit with a ball. The moment you pick up a ball, biscuit is locked in. So maybe I just need to figure out what is my spiritual ball with, like god, and maybe I figure out how to lock in on it yeah, you know, I was actually had this thought the other day.
Speaker 2:Um, I was like man, I really wish I could receive more revelation, or like, or I was listening to we're not listening to. I was reading a talk given by, uh, I think my fourth great grandfather, which is Charles C Rich, and the reason I have talks by him is because he was a general authority, he was an apostle and, um, so his some of his you know, conference talks and addresses were recorded. So I was reading through that like man this is so cool. Like I was like I wonder where he, just like, received this revelation or received the you know these things, and I realized it was like, back then you didn't have all these devices, you didn't have this entertainment just constantly in your hand, right, whenever you want it, simultaneously, you know, as soon as you want it, it's there, yep. And so I was like man.
Speaker 2:I imagine probably him going somewhere quiet, away from his many wives and children, many, many children. I think he had something like 50 something children from his six wives. He probably needed some quiet time, exactly, and so. But I imagine him going somewhere, you know, and just retreating to a place where he could really ponder the things of the Lord. And you know, maybe it was a little easier back then, but I was like man, how much easier can I make it for myself to receive revelation if I just put my phone away and go on a walk? You know, like physically, leave my device behind Like I'm paranoid, I'm like, oh, what if something happens right or someone needs me? Like let's be honest, man, the world's probably gonna keep going and you know, more times than not, you're not going to be needed for those 15, 20 minutes that you take to separate yourself from it and if something does happen to you, you're probably going to end up a viral video on social media.
Speaker 1:So let's be honest, oh man too.
Speaker 2:True, someone else has a phone.
Speaker 1:Don't worry, you'll be fine yeah, but I think it's man. I have this realization over and over again how the world, with technology and even cultural, we're removing all the things that give us meaning and peace. So the world is starting to take away quiet moments out of our lives constantly. Or the world is saying, hey, we need to remove these responsibilities, like being a parent, like, or like having kids or going to church, and I like it's just really sad that nothing is safe anymore. Everything where we can access God is being attacked and taken away from us, and so that's why it's like it's more important than ever to relearn the lost art of pondering, because if we don't actively pursue those moments, they're not going to come naturally to us anymore.
Speaker 1:Like you can think back on, like your grant, like just like two generations ago my grandpa was a farmer in Wyoming and I'm sure he didn't go out to the fields irrigating with headphones or a Walkman or anything. He just would do his thing Right. And like I don't do that, like I'm, I hop in the car and I'm already listening to something once I get in the car, and the moment I get back in the car, at the end of the day I'm once again. I'm doing that and I just think, like I like for me this is just a reminder, like I need to go find god and be even more intentional about my quiet moments, right.
Speaker 2:No, seriously, and I think it also affects, like our personal, our ability to have a personal worship with our father, right, because worship is not just confined to the halls of a church building.
Speaker 2:But how can you worship a being if you don't take time out of your day to fully open yourselves up to him, right, to our father? And so, because I recently watched a podcast about worshiping, right, and I thought about that that, tied right along with this idea of pondering that you have, I'm like, well, you know, if I'm not spending time pondering, I'm not spending time, you know, focusing on something of a spiritual nature and seeking to receive answers then how can I expect to truly worship God? And how am I not a polytheist if I'm giving more time to these other things? Right, and giving more attention, like in your free time? If you're giving more attention to your phone than you are God, who do you truly worship? Yeah, and so that was another kind of wake up call for me. It's not just good pondering for pondering sake, but this affects our relationship with our Father in heaven.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think there's two types of worship when we come to it. There's active worship, which I think we're all constantly thinking about, which is reading, going to church, serving in our calling. That's active worship, praying.
Speaker 2:Praying Formal prayer. We have a very formalized way of praying in the church, even in our personal lives yep.
Speaker 1:And then there's the other half, which is the quiet worship. It's kind of like the pondering, or I would even say like letting those desires of. I want to be closer to christ, I want like letting those desires and intentions work within us and be expressed as we think about them and recommit ourselves to them. Because, like, I think, pondering is thinking about things and we'll get more into this part too but I also think there's a big part where I think pondering also leads to commitment and making promises as well, because, like, it's not like we participate in ordinances to make those promises, but how often are we rehearsing those promises and reaffirming those promises in our lives as well? And one thing I want to go over like there's we all, we all hear, we've all heard talks where this is mentioned, where, in order to receive revelation, we have to listen to the still small voice. And that's the thing it's still and it's small and it can. So, therefore, it can only be heard in quiet, quiet places.
Speaker 1:And it made me when I was thinking upon this, I was like and we always talk about tuning into the spirit and I realized for the first time ever that maybe, in order to hear the still, small voice. I have to make myself still and small, and then I would finally, if I'm in that place of stilling my mind and humbling myself, I would finally be in tune with the spirit. And so I think, like, before we even move into revelation, we have to learn how to prepare the ground for to actually hear it. And as I thought about this as so, I was like what is, what is what is me looking like a still, what is, how does it look to be still and small? And so when I feel like, when we're still, it means we're aligned, we're congruent with gospel livings, we're calm, we're balanced in how we're approaching life.
Speaker 1:So like, not too much on, not too much emphasis on any one thing, and then focused or present, you like, see, when you're finally like, still, and like the like the waters of life has finally, like the ripples have died down, everything's your is when you finally feel the most present, right, and then you're finally unbothered. So that's the still part of life. If I was to focus on the small part of life, how do I make myself more small? It's like turning down the volume, learning to quiet the, the inner voices or the things competing for that voice, but then also like learning to be humble and simplify my life as well, so reducing the amount of things in my life. That way I can actually give place to those things. So I don't know if that resonates with you, joel, but I felt that was one realization when I was thinking about this is I need to be still and small myself well, I mean, yes, it resonates, because that's what I was gonna say about being small is being humble.
Speaker 2:but small man and a big chick no, seriously, I think about that like being small something. Well, I thought, like what's the opposite of small? Like big, right, loud, um, loud, um, out there, right, and so it's like to make ourselves small. I really want to focus on that humility aspect of realizing that we're not as special in the sense that, like a lot of times, everyone likes to think they're the main character of their own story. Right, and you know, sometimes we have to slow down and realize we aren't the main character in the sense that it's. The focus is not us, the focus is on our father in heaven, his plan, our savior and what we can become, right, it's not always just about doing what we want. In that case, you know, that's a very prideful thing, right? So if we're focused on just doing what we want right and serving ourselves, that's making ourselves big. Right, we're making ourselves bigger than the things that are important.
Speaker 2:To make ourselves small means and I'm not saying that we aren't important. What I'm saying is that we place ourselves in the proper context, not saying that we aren't important. What I'm saying is that we place ourselves in the proper context as being part of a bigger plan, and that we are a smaller piece being in that plan. And so we have to bring because a lot of times I talk about the Lord coming low right, and I think that's another way of saying small right, where the Lord condescended and came below and, you know, came from his throne above and made himself likened to us, and so sometimes we have to come off of our, you know, get off your high horse, so to speak, right, and you need to come low, you need to see things from ground level and see things as they really are, and if you can't do that, then you're not going to be able to, and if you can't do that, then you're not going to be able to, like you said, relate to that still and small voice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%, no, yeah, like, sometimes I don't ever focus on preparing myself to hear the voice Right, like if something's going on in my life where I have a big problem, how often, like when I'm like I need to receive revelation to solve this problem, how often am I first like trying to find ways to tune into the spirit right, sometimes I'm just like throwing up a prayer, a Hail Mary, being like, hey, god, give me an answer. But that is like this lackluster effort. That's pathetic. You know, like how, when have I like been like, okay, like what are the things I need to do in order to first still my life and humble myself to actually get the answer I need? And then I should go to God and be like, ok, god, like these are the things that I've done to prepare myself to receive this answer, regardless if you give it to me now or later or never, I just want you to know I'm really trying to align with you and I think it's just the very fact as we try to align ourselves, we get those answers regardless.
Speaker 2:Dude, can I pause you real quick? A lot of times we go to God because we want to ask him for things that we think we need. What we really need to be doing is going to God and ask him what are the things I need to do? Right, like, what do I need to do? Not like going and saying I need this. Right, you're telling, you're trying to tell God what you need, as if you know better than him what you might need. Right, but Heavenly Father, he's the one that knows what you need.
Speaker 2:So, instead of going and saying like, this is what I need, heavenly Father, go up to Him and say Heavenly Father, what do I need? You know, what am I to do? And I think that's an example set by the prophets. They're not going and saying you know, heavenly Father, this is what you need to do for me. No, they're going and saying what do you need me to do? You need me to build a boat. I can't build a boat. And he's like well, yeah, you can. Okay, all right, I guess I can build a boat, you know. And so it's like things like you know, you see this example of them going instead of pushing their problems onto God right and saying fix this.
Speaker 1:They're showing up and saying help show me what to do. Yeah, you know, I once again this kind of comes back to like the gospel is so simple and we make it so complex, like sometimes Maybe not complex we just make it muddled, yeah, we just make it murky.
Speaker 2:The water is clear, but then we like to stir up the sand and make it seem like it's complex.
Speaker 1:I like to think like the hardest thing about the gospel is consistency. It's complex. I like to think the hardest thing about the gospel is consistency. I promise you 99% of my problems in my life would be fixed if I would just pray more consistently, read my scriptures more consistently, attend the temple more consistently. The name of the game is consistency, and I am not consistent. That is one of the things I struggle with the most in every aspect of my life. Like I live on freaking what procrastination like. Procrastination is like the fuel for morgan's life. Like I'm like what needs to get done right now Because I put it off so long, and I feel like sometimes that's how I feel about the gospel too Is like I'm in a bad spot. I got to get my act together and I need to start being more consistent with this. And then it's like, ah, life is a little better now. I don't need to do that, no more need to do that no more.
Speaker 2:You know, so relatable. It's like, all right, I've caught up. Now I've caught up enough, right, I can coast for a little bit longer, instead of, like, keep working on it and getting more and better, or, you know, getting really truly ahead and staying ahead. It's like we like to like, do burst. Right, we run a little bit on this race. Then we like, start walking, we start seeing someone make did you know, start catching up to us. So we start running again and we get ahead of them like, like okay, I'm gonna chill again, start walking and and you're never gonna get your your best time doing that right, you only get your best time when you're just consistently staying ahead, consistently pushing forward, regardless of what's going on behind you, yeah, or in front of you. So I think that's very funny and interesting.
Speaker 1:It's like we are people who say they don't like to live on edge, sure, like to put things off to the last minute for sure and I think this is what's prompting this whole conversation of pondering is I'm starting to realize I've been so deprived of this quiet simpleness of the gospel that it's becoming a problem, like I am feeling more worn out, more depleted spiritually and just more lonely, more depressed, like I'm not saying, like I'm like in a super terrible spot, I'm not I'm not trying to get, but what I'm saying is I'm feeling right now I'm feeling these emotions more and more, and the times where I felt the least lonely or sad is when I've had more communion moments with God, like I could have zero people in my life and if I always felt connected to God, I would not feel lonely.
Speaker 1:If I felt like connected and I felt like I was talking with God day in and day out, I would not feel sad either. I would have this steady feeling of support, of motivation, of meaning. And it all starts with opening up space through pondering and meditation with God. And so I guess like what do you? I guess, first off, what do you think pondering is? Because I feel like we all have a different definition of what pondering is Like. Some of us think it's like, oh, it's prayer Actually it's not prayer. Or some of us think it's like, oh, it's just like. You know, when you're kneeling before you pray or after you pray, you just wait a little bit longer. You know it's like, ah, I pondered. Or like, oh, pondering is when I'm in the celestial room and I just sit there and breathe in the air of the temple, like that's pondering. And I'm not saying those things are bad, but I think there's more dude, I have some.
Speaker 2:It's like sometimes, I think, because ponder and the word wander sounds so similar that instead of pondering we're letting our thoughts wander. Right, we're wandering around in our thoughts, right, we're not actually pondering. I think pondering is very specific. We're honing in on something, contemplating it, right we're. We're trying to absorb it from every angle, we're trying to truly grasp something, right? I don't think it's just lackadaisical, like oh, wherever my thoughts take me, because that's not. It's a focused process, right? Yeah, it's a peaceful but focused. It's got intent behind it. I think that's something that we miss in pondering. Is that, like I said, I think it's, I literally think it's just because it rhymes with wander, ponder and wonder rhyme that we like kind of started to do that more than we are actually focusing on it.
Speaker 1:I'm always pondering Cause I feel like I'm just wandering through life anyway. Yeah, seriously, that's your definition that I'm doing.
Speaker 2:I'm killing it too, and that's the case. I'm doing it right now. No, but no, I think it's like we really have to understand, be like we really have to be intentional about things. Right, that is such a huge thing when you can learn to be intentional and what you're doing and not just letting because that's what we're supposed to be, we're not supposed to be things to be acted upon, we are supposed to act. So when you're part, when you're just pondering and you're letting your thoughts wander, that's not good, that's idle, that's idle time. You're not actually doing anything like that, and so let's be productive with your thinking.
Speaker 1:First, I want to start with the word ponder. So there's two Hebrew words, which is Pylos, and then Bonin are the two words. So Pylos and I'm probably butchering this by saying that, but Pylos has the connotation of way to way, to level or make straight, and then Bonin has the connotation of understand or discern. And then there's I also looked up the greek um connotations of ponder, and there was two for that one and I um, there was symbol, symbolo, and then there's logim, him, so mall, lodge, him is all, and I'm once again, I'm probably butchering these lodges that he can't.
Speaker 1:It probably does not sound like that at all, but lodges them all, lodges them is all. Yeah, or whatever, lodges, lodges all. I'll send it to you afterwards. You're no, you're nowhere near, but anyway, he speaks Greek, or?
Speaker 2:Hebrew. I'll send it to you afterwards. You're nowhere near.
Speaker 1:Apologies to anyone who speaks Greek or Hebrew. Thank goodness no one does that listens to this. I hope not. But Symbolo it means to bring together or consider. And then the other one I'm not even going to say it again because I feel so stupid is to reckon, count or evaluate. And as I was thinking on these words, it's like how often do like when I like, when I'm trying to learn something new in the gospel, it just seems like it's just not completely straight in my mind yet. So I spend time thinking on these things until it actually is. I have a straight course of thought, like a linear thought, where I can go from thing to thing to thing and under really truly understand it. And sometimes in that process I have to bring other experiences or other knowledge that I have and bring those things together to actually get a new understanding. Things together to actually get a new understanding. And then on top of that, I also feel like we have to then take those things and reckon with it. It's like, oh, I just learned this new thing, but it also might conflict certain things in my life that I've been doing or things that I thought I knew, and I have to finally find a way to make this new truth align with everything in my life and as I thought about, like this process of, like man, pondering is much more than just thinking deeply about something. It's actually coming to terms with something, with an intention to actually go through and follow on it. So once again goes back to being intentional, yep, and follow on it. So once again goes back to being intentional, yep.
Speaker 1:And there there was other ones too that were really cool. When it comes to meditate, there was one that I it's it's a Hebrew word, sia, and this one comes from the word meditate, and it's connotation means to, it's a muse, or to converse, so it's an expressive thought, almost as if it's like a ritualistic repetition of something. And I was like man. Sometimes I have to rethink over certain things and come back to things again and again to finally get it right, and so sometimes, like, if we're not putting in the mental work to revisit things, do we ever really end up grasping it, you know.
Speaker 1:And so that was another one that was really cool for me, when it comes to what meditate and ponder means is we have to do mental rehearsals again and again, or we'll forget it one, or we'll never D dive deep enough into it. And I think that's why we have to have the sacrament again and again, or why we have to go to the temple again and again. How many times have you gone to sacrament or gone to the temple? And you're like whoa, like dude, I never knew that was in the like, I've never thought about it like that. And you're like and it's because we didn like that. And you're like and it's because we didn't have enough repetitions with a certain thought or principle in our life that we didn't truly get the dots connected for us.
Speaker 2:So yeah, or sometimes we have too much repetition, right when it just becomes a habit. It just becomes like you know something that's just. This is part of what we do Like. Every prayer starts off a bit like this dear heavenly father, thanks for this day, this day. What the what happened this day that you're so thankful for? Huh, why are you thankful? For every day, you know we don't think about like what? What does that imply about that day? And you know we get.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you gotta just be like heavenly father.
Speaker 2:Please end this day no, seriously, sometimes I'm seriously. Sometimes I'm like Heavenly Father, I'm not enjoying this day. Why do I even start with day right? You know it's so funny Like we get in this repetition of like things that we do.
Speaker 2:We just do it right and so you don't actually catch the meaning behind what's being said or what we're doing, right? So when it comes to the sacrament, we hear it every week. Sacrament, we hear it every week. How often do you actually sit there and separate each sentence and read the sentence and understand what it means in context to the ordinance you're performing and what it's calling back into your remembrance, right? Or when you're reading, just reading your scriptures, you know you're reading the story of say, of Nephi and his story about getting the plates, and how many times you just think, oh, because one time you heard I will go and I will do the things which the Lord's command. That's the only thing you can think of whenever you read the story and you miss the beautiful allegory that's also there of well, I won't get into that too long, but there's a great allegory. I can go into another episode, but all I'm need a second episode for this one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all I'm trying to say is that sometimes these there's too much repetition, right, or we hone in on the wrong things. We need to make sure we're looking at everything we can and that we're really trying to be intentional with everything so that we can.
Speaker 1:A big part of this is like sometimes we think pondering is just thinking about things and we neglect the feeling side of it. But how often do we open up ourselves to feel God, not just think God? Because, like sometimes, God just wants to love us and we are blocking that right and pondering is supposed to give place to that. And I think you're a hundred percent right If we get so rote and routine with with certain things, we're not opening ourselves up to the emotion side. And I think that's what we really want out of the gospel. We want to feel good, we want to just feel all these great things and we block ourselves off of it because we're just so busy to get it over with and get this routine done with right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I don't know, maybe this is like an idea for someone, if you're trying to like, if you want to kind of break the repetition, like just throw a wrench into how you normally do things. I don't know, maybe you always say our dear gracious father in heaven, right, switch it up and be like, oh God, our father, or oh God, my father. You know, switch it up man. Address heavenly father different. You know, give him a different, address him by a different title, give him the title of the most high, give him the title of of, you know, creator of the universe or whatever you know. Just switch it up, break that cycle so that you can really try to like just kind of jar yourself into it and into this experience. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:Give God a nickname Come on.
Speaker 2:I'm just kidding, no give God titles of glory, right? Or maybe in your prayer, do you ever take time in your prayer just to praise God? When's the last time you just sat there in your personal prayer and said, Father, I just want to praise you for your kindness.
Speaker 2:I just want to praise you for your love, your mercy, your greatness, like you are the most powerful, you are the most high. Yeah, you've chosen to have a relationship with me and you've chosen to present a plan so that I can be like you. Thank you Right, like just genuinely sit there and praise him as if, like cause every now and then you do this with people, you know you just sit there and you just say you know what? Dude, I just want to let you know like I really appreciate you as a friend, I really appreciate what you do, and when you call me and make sure I'm doing good, that means a lot to me. Say that kind of thing, have that kind of relationship with Heavenly Father. Right, get out of the. I thank you for this day. Please bless my friends and family. You know I'm grateful for the scriptures. Please bless the prophet and the apostles. Get out of that habit and start having the conversation with God.
Speaker 1:This brings up a really good point. Like something, and not everyone will have this chance or ability, but some of the best prayers I've ever had is when I would say them in Spanish, because I learned Spanish on my mission, because I was more inadequate at saying what I needed to say. I really could only like just be like Heavenly Father, like I'm not doing well, are you trying to express this? But please just feel these emotions and my intention behind these words. And it's.
Speaker 1:It was one thing when I have prayed in Spanish, and I've done it ever so often over the years. It just has made those prayers much more meaningful, because I'm getting out of, like you said, the routine of saying things, and now I'm having to really think about how to express myself in a different language. And so I think that that goes back to all of this is like maybe the maybe the beast we're trying to tackle here is the routine of life, and maybe we just need to find ways to shake up our gospel worship. Like what worked for you when you were eight is not gonna work for you when you're 18 or for when you're 28. Like you need to find ways to grow and diversify how you come unto God, so that way you can find new ways and new meaning in God as well. So I don't know.
Speaker 2:Amen, dude, amen, I'm so I don't know. Amen, dude, amen, I'm cooked.
Speaker 1:I ain't got nothing left to say Anyways, remember little flock, despair not, do good, build upon the rock and always hear him. Love you guys, peace.