Hear Him Heal You
This podcast is for those who are looking to experience the Savior more in their lives because of the peace and healing that only He can offer through revelation. Come unto Christ to get out of the mental mire, find meaning in emotion, leave bad behind, and finally, be whole. This is where we hear Him to be healed.
Hear Him Heal You
Shared Meal, Shared Grace
What if the sacrament isn’t just a quiet moment, but a shared meal where debts are settled and presence is restored? We revisit the table with fresh eyes—bread as the life of Christ that lifts us like leaven, and water as both solvent and sign of a costly covering—drawing a straight line from ancient temple patterns to your Sunday pew. Together we trace how the “Lamb of God” reframes communion as reconciliation with the Father, hosted through the Son, and why that matters for imperfect people who want to start with grace, not grit.
We dig into the symbols that make the ordinance come alive: the altar as surrender, the bread as a call to live like Jesus, the cup as reminder that the price of sin was paid through His death—and the story fulfilled by resurrection. From Adam and Eve’s garments to the weekly renewal of baptism’s promise, we show how remembrance is more than nostalgia; it’s reorientation. The Spirit meets us at the table to move us from wiping slates to writing better stories, not by our strength but by His.
You’ll hear personal insights, scripture threads, and practical ways to anchor your worship with symbols you can carry all week. If you’ve ever tried to “be better” and burned out, this conversation offers a simpler path: begin with Christ, then become through Christ. Join us, reflect on your own symbols, and let the Table re-center your heart. If this resonates, follow the show, share it with a friend who needs hope today, and leave a quick review to help others find their seat at the table.
Welcome to Hear Him Kill You with Morgan and Joel. This podcast is for those who are imperfect and rough around the edges, but are still wanting to come under Christ. Essentially, it's for everyone. So join us to get yourself out of the mental mire, find meaning and emotion, and leave that behind. This is where we hear him to be healed. Alright. Welcome back, Lil' Flock. It's been a little while since we done the episode. Joel and I are both going through life transitions right now, so we're trying to figure out a new schedule. Yeah, we are. Joel's uh Joel's a a college student for the first time ever. Yeah, something like that. Something like that. He's gonna be our newest uh HVAC specialist on the podcast here in a year or so. Oh yeah. And then yeah, I'm just busier at work.
SPEAKER_00:So, anyways, yeah, but uh yeah. It hasn't been that long, honestly. You know, my sister mentioned it today. She's like, You guys, that's fair, you haven't done a podcast in forever. I'm like, it really hasn't been that long. I mean, we posted one episode, was it last week? Two weeks ago. Two weeks ago. So I said, but you know, you take a week off and then everyone calls you lazy and a quitter. So I guess we had to come back.
SPEAKER_01:I was I was about there, I was about quitting. I'm not quite ready for that. But just kidding.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you know, to kind of give a little context to this episode, though, this was actually kind of a part two to a previous episode that we've done. And it was when Morgan spoke about the sacrament because he had a talk that he did about the sacrament, ended up making an episode out of it. And I I mean, I think we can all agree it turned out really well. But, anyways, that kind of inspired me to find more symbols for myself about the sacrament, find things that I find special about the sacrament and the symbols of the bread and the water. And so, with that being said, I just was gonna ask you, Morgan, if you kind of remind people um a little bit of the symbols that you found just to kind of give a little uh thought, what do you call it, an overview synopsis of kind of like what were the symbols that you really stuck out to you about the bread and then the water? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um so I guess I like aside from the bread and water symbols, I did take it from a perspective of the overarching ceremony of uh of the sacrament. So, like, for example, like the altar was like a symbol of Christ's death and resurrection, right? That it was also a symbol of that we need to lay our sacrifice upon the altar when we come to sacrament as well, which is usually our sacrifice of sin, that we're willing to give up those sins in a pursuit of becoming like Christ. Kind of moving towards um the other parts as well. So like I touched on like how the bread is the not only is it like a symbol of Christ's body, but also more of his life, like the things that Christ did while he was here on the earth, which was acts of service, uh loving those around him. It's also a symbol of the life we should live when we take the the bread into us, uh or when we eat the bread, right? And just how like bread we add leaven to bread to make it rise, to make it softer to the taste. So are we supposed to add Christ to ours our lives to act as a leaven to raise us to a new level, to make us more than we are, right? And then the sacrament or the water um was obviously it's a symbol of Christ's blood or or the atonement, his sacrifice for sin. But another symbol I like to, one that I have kind of really uh stuck out to me over the years is in my decree path. Um we constantly talked about how water is the greatest solvent on earth. So when you talk about solutes and solvents, solvents are things that dissolve other substances. So just how like Christ, when we add Christ to anything in our lives, any sin, any struggle, any pain, there's nothing that can withstand the dissolving power of Christ. He literally will make those things go away, um, no matter how long it takes. And it's the same thing with water, is if something's exposed to water over time, it erodes and is taken away. And that is um one imagery that I've really loved that I kind of found myself, I would say. Um and then also that the water is the like the well of everlasting life, right? So if we come under Christ, he can give us that eternal life, he can give us salvation and constantly be a source of strength and power to us. So those are the the ones that I rem recall off the top of my head without looking at notes.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, and I I I remember um other things you said, like I've never thought about that as water as a solvent, you know, and how he, you know, basically erodes the sin out of our life, he erodes the hardships out of our lives. And um, I found that was really interesting. And so, you know, as I listened to that episode that you did, I really started to think more. I'm like, okay, I want to understand the sacrament even more, right? I want to find my own symbols, things that, you know, that I can, you know, relate you know, a little more uniquely or personally to me. And, you know, you know, I really love looking at historical and you know, scholarly sources to kind of learn about the cultures and the symbolic meanings of at the time, you know, where these traditions come from. So what I mean by that is when I thought, where do we get the sacrament, right? Where do we get this whole ordinance of it, of the communion or the of the of the body and blood of Christ? And as I looked towards the names that we use for the Savior, that's where I think I found my biggest kind of eye-opening moment of another way to look at the sacrament. And the name that I want to focus on is Jesus Christ being the Lamb of God. So we hear him often called the Lamb of God because we know in the Old Testament times they offer sacrifices, and a lot of times it was a lamb, right? It was an unblemished lamb. And what they would do in times of old with these sacrifices, they would take this lamb, they'd go to the priest, they would slaughter the lamb, and they would give a portion to the priest, they would take the rest, right? They would burn certain parts of it, and they would take the rest and they'd eat it. And whenever you sacrifice an animal, that's what you did back in the old days. Whenever you wanted to eat meat, you would sacrifice the animal. And it symbolized also not just eating, right? But it was a shared meal with God because you were giving part of it to Him. And during this, I I decided to look and like, okay, what is the symbolism of having a shared meal with someone or breaking bread with someone, so to speak? And I'm sure you're very familiar with that term, and you kind of think automatically, well, if you're breaking bread with someone, you're coming to terms with them, right? You are um, you know, sometimes it's used to portray people, you know, discussing and you know, becoming, you know, how do you say it? What's the word I'm looking for? Either united or they're settling something, they're trying to come together as one, right? And as I kind of looked more into that, I read that, you know, tradition traditionally to them in the Hebrew culture, when they had that sacrifice, that shared meal with God meant that they were now in his presence. He was the host, yeah, right. They were now in communion with him, they were now once again in his good graces, and they had settled any debts or terms, right? If you were to break bread with someone, you had no more debts to settle with them. And so that's what it meant every time they had a sacrifice. And so as I took that and applied it to the sacrament that we take today, which, you know, is also known as communion or as the Lord's Supper. And I realized that Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God, He being that sacrifice. The reason he says, you know, you need to eat my body, right? He's saying, I am that shared meal with God. I'm the one who brings you into his good graces, right? He's the he is that sacrifice that brings us to the Father. You know, the Father is the host, Jesus Christ is the sacrifice. And a lot of times we talk about God sending his son, but at the same time, we have to realize like we approach God through his son as well. Yeah. So it's a two-ways relationship. And so whenever we partake of the bread, I now think, I always say this little prayer to myself of saying, God, I'm coming to you now to break bread with you. And I seek to settle any unsettled debts, right? I seek to be unified with you and to be in communion with you and to be in your good graces. And so that was the symbol I found every time we take that shared meal of God with God, right? That we are now in his good graces. Our debts are settled. We're good. And that was something that stood out to me. Morgan, what do you have any thoughts, anything that stood out to you from when I was just rambling there for the last five minutes? Rambling.
SPEAKER_01:Um, we are. One thing I think it's true, like sometimes we negotiate role in the sacrament. I think it's really easy to just be like, oh, this is time to like pray and ask for forgiveness. And which I think like, once again, if you're praying during the sacrament and ask for forgiveness, I think um that's always a worthwhile thing to do during the sacrament. But I do think it takes a different role when we think of like, okay, now we're coming together with God over this shared mill, over the body of Christ. And it's only because of Christ's life, his character, and his atonement that we are able to ever commune with God. Whether that's communion with God through prayer or with God through repentance, or even when we pass from this life and we stand there at the judgment seat awaiting our reckoning, like, and we are welcomed into his presence if we've lived if we've lived such a life, right? And I think we need to approach the sacrament more from that standpoint because like we're not just we don't partake of the sacrament just to find forgiveness, right? Like the sacrament doesn't really mean much if like outside of our outside of the sacrament, we're not repenting and trying to come closer to God. Like, once again, like the sac the sacrament is worthless if we make it so, you know? And I also it also makes me think, like, this idea also makes me think of the temple. So when we at the temple, we there's an altar and which symbolizes Christ's sacrifice. And then when we come to the bell, the bell is also Christ. And we are we it's at the bell that we communicate with our Heavenly Father, right? And then we are eventually welcomed into his presence and and we enter the celestial room. So it's just like once again, there's always this idea of it's always through Christ that we are brought into God's presence. So I love the imagery there.
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SPEAKER_00:Those are wide-like in thoughts. No, well, I'm really glad you glad, grad, glad you brought the temple into it, right? Because that's actually where I'm going next when I'm talking about the symbolism of the water. So we know the water represents the blood, right? And outside of that, as a kid, and even into my adult years, I've never been able to really grasp it. You know, I've heard we're cleansed by the blood of Christ, right? That we're covered by the blood. And, you know, I had this grotesque imagery in my head. I'm like, blood's not a very clean thing, it's actually a very messy thing, right? Yeah. So why is blood the symbol of becoming clean, right? And so I had to understand what the symbol of blood being shed was, truly. Uh-huh. And so we're actually going to go back to the temple. In the temple, we learned in the story of Adam and Eve that after they had transgressed and they were aware of their transgression. Um, I'm going to be careful not to say sin. It wasn't a sin. They didn't know better, right? This was a transgression. There's a difference. There is a difference. And so after their The effect is the same, though. Like it separated them from God. It did separate them from God. But I want to say Adam and Eve were not wicked, right? They were without knowledge.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And they had transgressed. Yeah. And that's why one thing, because we don't believe in original sin, right? We don't believe that we are that we for some reason have to pay the price, right, for Adam and Eve's transgression. Yeah. Right. We don't believe in original sin, that we're all guilty, right? We do believe we're we're affected by the the side effects, which is death, right? Physical death. Yeah. But anyways, as we go back to that moment when Adam and Eve were there before the Lord, caught in their transgression, and they were naked. Naked and afraid. Not like the TV series, but you know, they were fearful before the Lord. They they realized that they were naked, right? And they had tried to cover themselves, right? They used fig leaves, or whatever. You know, they used something to try to cover their own transgression. They tried to do it themselves, but clearly it was not a good job. Clearly, they couldn't quite do it. Yeah. And so what the Lord does is we know he gives them clothes to skin, right? Or cloaks and skin, what I can't remember the exact word, but he covers them in a skin's a garment of skins, right? Yeah. And we understand that that's what our garments symbolize, right? Is it's the same thing that the Lord gave to Adam and Eve to wear to cover their transgression, to cover and to cover our sins, right? And one thing I never really thought about was where did these skins come from? Skins don't just grow on trees, right? They had to come from somewhere, and they had to come from something. And most likely at the time, or what the tradition would hold was that it would have been a lamb's skin. So once again, we see the symbology of the lamb of God or the lamb covering the sins and transgression of mankind. And where does it how does that relate to blood? Well, the shedding of blood or is a symbol of death. And so the first lesson that God teaches Adam and Eve after their transgression is that the price of sin and transgression, the price of disobedience is death. And as he realizes that, but that death will cover it for them. That shedding of blood of the lamb that was killed to cover their disobedient act, right? To cover their transgression, that was the price. And it's something they needed to understand. And so now we we bring that back to when we take the water, we remember the blood of Christ. We remember that the price of sin is death. And that Jesus Christ paid it, but that pays the debt. Adam and Eve were now covered, they were now clothed. They did not have to live in their nakedness, right? They did not have to live in their transgression. They were now covered by the atonement. And so we have to remember that when we partake of that water, we are symbolically once again reminding ourselves that we are taking the blood of Christ. We're taking that debt that's paid the debt, and we're covering our sins, right? We're covering them up. They're no longer a problem. They're gone, they're washed away, as we like to say. And so that was the symbol I found. It is so cool that it went back to the garment. So when we wear the garment after we're endowed, it's yet again another reminder of the blood of Christ that covers us each day.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And so that was the other symbol I kind of put together. So one, in the first, sorry, I'll let you get in, but I just want to kind of state it clearly. So when we partake of the bread, we are being reconciled unto God, right? We are now in his good graces. We are now okay to come into his presence. When we partake of the water, we're reminded of the cost of sin and reminded that we are covered through the death of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So Morgan, back to you.
SPEAKER_01:So I would I would say like we're not necessarily saying we're cleansed through the blood of Christ. It's actually a more correct term would be we are cleansed through the death of Christ. And because I feel like that fits what we're trying to get to. So I don't know, that's where my thought was going. It's like if we were to do a better job of speaking to this idea, it's literally like because of Christ's death, but it's also hard to just say that and leave out the resurrection. I think there there has to be this whole part to it. Like, and I think that's like one way we get into trouble is we leave out, we we think the atonement of Christ is just his suffering, right? So we like segment out all of these different parts of the atonement, which is actually three events, right? It's the suffering, the death, and the resurrection of Christ, right? And so because if Christ would have just died, it wouldn't have mattered had he paid the price for our sins. There was still no power in bringing bringing us or us getting resurrected bodies, right? To become before God and become like God. These are just things that my mind is going to as we we talk about these things, as we maybe I'm just maybe you can help me out here.
SPEAKER_00:No, you're good. So that comes to I'm gonna cap this off. The sacrament is the renewal of the baptismal covenant. When we are baptized, we symbolically are killing the old man, right? We're killing or we are dying in Christ, right? And then we are coming out, we're going down, we're being buried in Christ. So we died, we're buried, and then we come out of the Lord, we are being raised in Christ and a newness of life. So that's the coming, that's the third part that you're talking about, Morgan. So we every week we get an opportunity to be reminded of that we are now God's graces, now that we are our sins are covered, we can walk in a newness of life. So we have to always remember to reflect on that part about our baptism. And that's what, and we know that the spirit is life-giving, right? That's why when we take the sacrament, it's also renewing and reminding us that we have the spirit as a constant companion as we remain in God's graces, as we remain covered by the blood of Christ. And so that is the newness of life I think you're talking about. That is the resurrection. And so that's my last thoughts. When we really look at the as we go to the sacrament each week and we partake of these symbols, that we remember that they really do mean something, right? And it is a renewal of a covenant, it is the completion, right? Each week, it recompletes us. That's why I love I love when um, you know, in what is it, third Nephi, I can't remember when Jesus Christ gives the uh Sermon on a mount to the Nephites, but you know, I would that you should be perfect as I and my Father in heaven are. And each week we get to be and perfect in the Greek, if you go back to uh the actual Greek from the New Testament, it's it's a word that means to be complete, right? So each week we get to become completed or perfected once again, and we get to enjoy that benefit of the sacrament. And that's why it's so important. That's why you know they don't want us just attending church just to look good. They're not just trying to have us have big numbers, right? They want each Latter-day Saint to make covenants, to feel complete, to feel whole to feel whole each week. And so that's why it's so important that we go to church. It's not to go and socializing's great, you know, fellowship is great, uh serving one another is great, but it's better to feel and be complete and be perfected through the atonement of Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Well, I would even take it a step farther, too, is like sometimes we we think you think in reverse. But like sometimes we think like the purpose of going to church is to serve others, to to do these things and to be a good person, you know, do all the things, X, Y, Z, whatever makes you a good person, right? But sometimes we forget that like if we don't start with Christ, we make that whole transformation and change so much harder. And maybe this is where like what I need to take away from this today is like that's how I think sometimes. It's like sometimes I'm just like, I'm gonna focus on being better instead of including Christ, who is actually gonna make that process that much easier. So if we started with Christ, the byproduct of being close to Christ and and focusing on Christ is we become a better person. Without like through the power of Christ, not through the power of Morgan, not through the power of Joel. And I think like that is why we have the sacrament every Sunday, is to constantly try to remind us that like Christ is the focus. It's the reason why at the beginning of every sacrament meeting, before we give any beautiful talks or anything like that, we start with the sacrament. There's a reason for that. Is because we're supposed to start with Christ. And maybe that's just another thing I just realized is a part of the symbolism of the sacrament is the sacrament signifies the start, the starting point where we commune with God through Christ. And so I think that's the what we all need to take away more often is when we're trying to make changes, when we're trying to be a better person or whatever, start with Christ. It's a pretty simple answer. It's really hard to do, but I think it's uh that's the beauty of the gospel. It's one of the simplest, hardest things to do is live the gospel.
SPEAKER_00:So, I mean, in closing, hopefully you got something out of this. Hopefully, this will inspire you to more fully seek to understand the sacrament for yourself. And if you find something different, we're not saying that our way and our understanding is the only way or the only understanding, right? We're just saying we're just trying to find ways to make Christ more the center and to have a deeper relationship. So we encourage everyone to go out and find your own symbols. Go find what the sacrament means to you. And I know personally that if you do that, you will have a greater appreciation each week as you approach God in his house. You approach him, and you come to know that you are once again in his graces, right? You are covered in all these things. You're walking into this life. I know you'll be happier. You just will. I feel happier every time I go to church and I participate in the ordinance of the sacrament. So, with that, remember, little flock, fear not, build upon the rock, do good, and always remember to hear him. Nice.